Again, no. American is made out of the forged steel (both receiver and bolt) with a cold hammer forged barrel. Three lugs on the bolt that travels 70 degree to clear the action. Aluminum bedding comes standard just like the crown protection. None of these features are present on Axis, so opinion has nothing to do with it. Maybe only if you want to form one against the facts.
Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?
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Again, no. American is made out of the forged steel (both receiver and bolt) with a cold hammer forged barrel. Three lugs on the bolt that travels 70 degree to clear the action. Aluminum bedding comes standard just like the crown protection. None of these features are present on Axis, so opinion has nothing to do with it. Maybe only if you want to form one against the facts.
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They really have to do something about the design of their bolt shroud...
The Ruger American has a receiver made from 4140 chrome-moly bar stock.
Again, it's a matter of opinion. You're now getting into technical details to justify your opinion. What I'm saying is, the rifle does what it was built and designed to do. You can argue all you want, but that's a fact. The rifle works. Nobody here is saying that you have to like it.
As was stated earlier, if your criteria for a rifle working is the ability to go bang, you will view the Axis as a good rifle and one you will like. I have handled too many rifles to look past some of the shortcuts that appear in the Axis and instead have bought several used mauser rifles from trade ex that are of better construction at a similar price. I would recommend doing the same.
Go bang? Is that all that you want from your rifle?
Ok then.
Now, tell us please...how many of these Axis rifles went thru your hands so far?
Where would the fun in that be.
The savage axis is a good gun for those without much extra money to spend on playthings and know very little about firearms. Because if you had either, you wouldn't buy an axis.
I view my rifles and shotguns as far more than tools. Thus the difference.
If not tools, what do you view them as? I always thought they were tools... Sometimes toys I suppose.
Bottom line, like you said not everyone has a lot of money to spend on a rifle. And equally some people don't know or care about the finer points of firearms, they might just want to be able to hunt affordably. Advising a new buyer to look at other options is one thing...
But some people seem to be making this a mission in this thread, to criticize people for owning one, and it comes off as arrogant and snobbish to drag somebody else's choices through the mud because it's not the choice they would have made. Are there better guns than the axis for the money, probably, but who cares? It works, it puts rounds down range the same as any other gun. So what if it doesn't have a hammer forged barrel and immaculate fit and finish?
I care, but I also care about things like fine grade wood and butter smooth actions.
I could not care what someone else owns or buys, just don't publicly declare your rifle is on par or better. Because it isnt.
And for the same reason I don't compare mine to other finer brands, I know better.
From that perspective that's a valid point. But I haven't seen anyone saying it's as nice or as good as a fine firearm, just that, for its intended purpose... Throwing a bullet, it does that. And by many accounts it does that fairly well despite its apparent shoddy construction.
But I could argue, and in fact have argued along the same lines, as I also enjoy the finer aspects of guns. Why anyone would prefer a newer ruger 10/22 or savage .22 over a retro Mossberg or Marlin at half the price no less, is beyond me. There are usually quality options at or below the same price point as newer guns which are built to a much higher standard.
I just won't bash people for buying any Savage .22 over say, a mossberg 144, even though I know one is a superior tool and one is a mass produced toy.
None.What point are you trying to make?
It goes bang and sends projectiles downrange. Whether the target is paper or animal, that's what it does. That's what it was meant to do. I have one in .243. It puts meat in my freezer.
That is indeed the difference; and that's the point I'm trying to make. Some people want a tool that works, while others want more more out of a rifle. Is that so wrong?
Exactly.
It's no wonder the firearms community can't win against those those who want nothing more than to disarm us. People argue over such trivial things and forget what's important. Criticizing people, pushing them away, creating a divide; that all works against us.
I'll start the fire........ Ya'll wanna sit around and sing songs?. It's not just the firearms community, it's society, and every group in it.
The Axis is a cheap rifle/tool, plain and simple. If I only had enough $ in the budget to buy an Axis, I still wouldn't.
It's not because I'm a snob, it's because I don't waste...... Yup, waste money on cheap items.
It's the same reason I don't stick my head under a car supported by Princess auto "Power Fist" brand jacks, or use a Crappy Tire brand Multimeter when testing 600v circuits.
For slightly more money, you can get a rifle that's not built from recycled pop cans and melted milk jugs.
Accuracy isn't everything.......... And that's "Why I give the Axis such a hard time". (Which is the point of this thread btw)
The Axis is a cheap rifle/tool, plain and simple. If I only had enough $ in the budget to buy an Axis, I still wouldn't.
It's not because I'm a snob, it's because I don't waste...... Yup, waste money on cheap items.
It's the same reason I don't stick my head under a car supported by Princess auto "Power Fist" brand jacks, or use a Crappy Tire brand Multimeter when testing 600v circuits.
For slightly more money, you can get a rifle that's not built from recycled pop cans and melted milk jugs.
Accuracy isn't everything.......... And that's "Why I give the Axis such a hard time". (Which is the point of this thread btw)
Well put.
I don't see it like the above.
I have no issue with someone that can barely scratch together enough money for a rifle, and let's be honest, 90% of used rifles sold on this forum would still set you back more money than a brand new Axis with a factory scope on it, picking one up if that's what will get them out hunting/shooting.
Where I have the issue is when they come on a forum such as this and try and tell the world that their Axis is "every bit as good or better" than all the other rifles out there. And while they are doing that they are calling down rifles that "they can't afford" and in their logic: I can't afford = not worth it, not as good as it claims, is not superior to my Axis which can put three rounds in the same hole.
So I would say, if you don't want someone "bashing your Axis" then don't come on here and try and tell me that it's "every bit as good and more accurate than a Mk 5 Weatherby from their custom shop", because that's like comparing a Lada to a BMW - yes, they are both cars and will both get you to work but that's kinda where it ends.
If I had of "waited until I had enough money to buy a DECENT rifle" instead of dropping "what I could afford" on my single shot H&R 30.06 I might not own any guns today and may have never become a prolific hunter - the "piggy bank" would have got raided for clothes for the kids etc and I never would have got that "better rifle" - at least not until long after I would have lost interest. So I absolutely see the use/value/NEED for entry level guns.
Just don't try and "justify" it as being something it's not - it's a Lada. And while maybe that was great as your first car you would have been driving the BMW if you could have afforded it.
ps - yes, I do own an Axis along with a number of other "better quality, higher priced rifles - most have scopes that were more expensive then my Axis) - but it's still "just an Axis" and it's not on the same planet in any respect with the Weatherby's and Remington's that sit beside it in the cabinet - and I never "pretend" that it is...
I have no issue with someone that can barely scratch together enough money for a rifle, and let's be honest, 90% of used rifles sold on this forum would still set you back more money than a brand new Axis with a factory scope on it, picking one up if that's what will get them out hunting/shooting.
Where I have the issue is when they come on a forum such as this and try and tell the world that their Axis is "every bit as good or better" than all the other rifles out there. And while they are doing that they are calling down rifles that "they can't afford" and in their logic: I can't afford = not worth it, not as good as it claims, is not superior to my Axis which can put three rounds in the same hole.
So I would say, if you don't want someone "bashing your Axis" then don't come on here and try and tell me that it's "every bit as good and more accurate than a Mk 5 Weatherby from their custom shop", because that's like comparing a Lada to a BMW - yes, they are both cars and will both get you to work but that's kinda where it ends.
If I had of "waited until I had enough money to buy a DECENT rifle" instead of dropping "what I could afford" on my single shot H&R 30.06 I might not own any guns today and may have never become a prolific hunter - the "piggy bank" would have got raided for clothes for the kids etc and I never would have got that "better rifle" - at least not until long after I would have lost interest. So I absolutely see the use/value/NEED for entry level guns.
Just don't try and "justify" it as being something it's not - it's a Lada. And while maybe that was great as your first car you would have been driving the BMW if you could have afforded it.
ps - yes, I do own an Axis along with a number of other "better quality, higher priced rifles - most have scopes that were more expensive then my Axis) - but it's still "just an Axis" and it's not on the same planet in any respect with the Weatherby's and Remington's that sit beside it in the cabinet - and I never "pretend" that it is...
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so after reading a few posts here , it seems very clear ...........
there are individuals here that want to go out of their way to harass other people for buying certain firearms that they deem " unworthy " .....
there are individuals here that want to go out of their way to harass other people for buying certain firearms that they deem " unworthy " .....
There is also a bunch of guys here with the serious butt hurt syndrome after it was pointed out that Axis is not the best choice within the value line group of rifles.
Why?
Because they have one.
When you are on a limited budget you can't afford to buy crap, because in the end you'll spend more on keeping it running than going with the decent item right away.
Why?
Because they have one.
When you are on a limited budget you can't afford to buy crap, because in the end you'll spend more on keeping it running than going with the decent item right away.
