Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?

hawk-i said:
And did they work fine after the recall was done?
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There was never any recall on Axis, at least not that I can remember. In my experience 70-80% of the issues with the rifle are connected with the poor execution of the stock design. First if you look at the opening between the barrel and the stock along the barrel channel You'll easily notice that they are not even and you're lucky if the barrel is actually free floated. It may require sanding. That's however ok on $350 rifle in my book, but worth to notice, since it suppose to be free floated. Now comes the bad part. Tolerances when it comes to the stock moulding press. As you probably know the rifle as it comes from the factory is packed in a box with the bolt and magazine separated. First thing we do in the store is to try to insert the magazine in the mag well. They all a bit flinky, but in quite a few cases the magazines simply didn't go and lock in whatsoever. Just kinda hanging there, out of position within the mag channel. This is not a very common, but still present problem. Other problem was discovered by our clients. Even with the mag in on some of the rifles the rounds wouldn't feed, because the magazines were dropping too deep in the stock and the bolt couldn't scoop the round from the top of the magazine. Could be connected with the fact that Axis has just one type of action - no short and long. Short action calibers look lost inside the action that can also accommodate the long action calibers. Just another cost saving measure. Weakest point of the stock however in located around the pistol grip and right behind the tang safety. We received couple returns with the action separated from the stock after the plastic broke in that area. In two cases after inserting the bolt we were not able to remove it. My best guess would be either too small chamber, bad machining or oversized bolt. Not sure of that. So far I didn't witness any more issues related to the action itself (except for two mentioned cases of the stuck bolt), but it sure feels very cheap with the bolt not even clearing the scope properly and scratching it during normal cycling. To be fair I've seen one stock cracked in the same area on Savage 111, but I sure can recommend that model as the base rifle. Can't say the same about Axis though. If that offends anybody...so be it. OP asked and here are the reasons. Good night and good morning.
 
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Nestor said:
There was never any recall on Axis, at least not that I can remember. In my experience 70-80% of the issues with the rifle are connected with the poor execution of the stock design. First if you look at the opening between the barrel and the stock along the barrel channel You'll easily notice that they are not even and you're lucky if the barrel is actually free floated. It may require sanding. That's however ok on $350 rifle in my book, but worth to notice, since it suppose to be free floated. Now comes the bad part. Tolerances when it comes to the stock moulding press. As you probably know the rifle as it comes from the factory is packed in a box with the bolt and magazine separated. First thing we do in the store is to try to insert the magazine in the mag well. They all a bit flinky, but in quite a few cases the magazines simply didn't go and lock in whatsoever. Just kinda hanging there, out of position within the mag channel. This is not a very common, but still present problem. Other problem was discovered by our clients. Even with the mag in on some of the rifles the rounds wouldn't feed, because the magazines were dropping too deep in the stock and the bolt couldn't scoop the round from the top of the magazine. Could be connected with the fact that Axis has just one type of action - no short and long. Short action calibers look lost inside the action that can also accommodate the long action calibers. Just another cost saving measure. Weakest point of the stock however in located around the pistol grip and right behind the tang safety. We received couple returns with the action separated from the stock after the plastic broke in that area. In two cases after inserting the bolt we were not able to remove it. My best guess would be either too small chamber, bad machining or oversized bolt. Not sure of that. So far I didn't witness any more issues related to the action itself (except for two mentioned cases of the stuck bolt), but it sure feels very cheap with the bolt not even clearing the scope properly and scratching it during normal cycling. To be fair I've seen one stock cracked in the same area on Savage 111, but I sure can recommend that model as the base rifle. Can't say the same about Axis though. If that offends anybody...so be it. OP asked and here are the reasons. Good night and good morning.
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Didn't you say you were pulling them from stock and returning them for repair? and they had a good recall program.
 
Overall, this has been an interesting discussion excepting the fanboy gushing on both sides. I have decided not to get a Muddy Girl for wife. I never liked the closed breech of the rifle, I like to open the bolt and see it all. I make no hay with anyone's decision to buy said rifle, indeed I defend your right too.
 
Nestor said:
There was never any recall on Axis, at least not that I can remember. In my experience 70-80% of the issues with the rifle are connected with the poor execution of the stock design. First if you look at the opening between the barrel and the stock along the barrel channel You'll easily notice that they are not even and you're lucky if the barrel is actually free floated. It may require sanding. That's however ok on $350 rifle in my book, but worth to notice, since it suppose to be free floated. Now comes the bad part. Tolerances when it comes to the stock moulding press. As you probably know the rifle as it comes from the factory is packed in a box with the bolt and magazine separated. First thing we do in the store is to try to insert the magazine in the mag well. They all a bit flinky, but in quite a few cases the magazines simply didn't go and lock in whatsoever. Just kinda hanging there, out of position within the mag channel. This is not a very common, but still present problem. Other problem was discovered by our clients. Even with the mag in on some of the rifles the rounds wouldn't feed, because the magazines were dropping too deep in the stock and the bolt couldn't scoop the round from the top of the magazine. Could be connected with the fact that Axis has just one type of action - no short and long. Short action calibers look lost inside the action that can also accommodate the long action calibers. Just another cost saving measure. Weakest point of the stock however in located around the pistol grip and right behind the tang safety. We received couple returns with the action separated from the stock after the plastic broke in that area. In two cases after inserting the bolt we were not able to remove it. My best guess would be either too small chamber, bad machining or oversized bolt. Not sure of that. So far I didn't witness any more issues related to the action itself (except for two mentioned cases of the stuck bolt), but it sure feels very cheap with the bolt not even clearing the scope properly and scratching it during normal cycling. To be fair I've seen one stock cracked in the same area on Savage 111, but I sure can recommend that model as the base rifle. Can't say the same about Axis though. If that offends anybody...so be it. OP asked and here are the reasons. Good night and good morning.
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Maybe you should reread your written words in your post 311, there you said, "At least Savage is great while dealing with any problems including the recalls". NOW you're saying there weren't any recalls...which is it, or do you even know?

I guess you haven't seen the short video made by one of CGN's sponsors of a torture test on the Axis....dragged on a rope behind a quad! Pretty darn tough little rifle in that video.

FYI.....libel is a malicious, false statement in written media, a broadcast, or otherwise published words....might be something to keep in the back of your mind when posting. :)
 
hawk-i said:
Didn't you say you were pulling them from stock and returning them for repair? and they had a good recall program.
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I said they are great when dealing with the recalls because they are. They are the ONLY company that sent their own representatives to examine the rifles in question in the store.
I never said that the recall was on Axis. It was on one of their rimfire models. We do inspect all the rifles that are coming to the store (thus safety inspection sticker on the box) and when we can see something wrong with one we sending it back. That's what happened with the number of Axis rifles. Simple enough? I'm done with you Sir. You are pretty much hopeless. Information is here for anybody interested in buying one. Good enough for me. Over and out of the conversation with you.
 
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fraserdw said:
Overall, this has been an interesting discussion excepting the fanboy gushing on both sides. I have decided not to get a Muddy Girl for wife. I never liked the closed breech of the rifle, I like to open the bolt and see it all. I make no hay with anyone's decision to buy said rifle, indeed I defend your right too.
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This is a good decision on your end. Take a look at Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 Girls Hunt 2 or Savage Lady Hunter. Best rifles in this category.
 
Nestor said:
I said they are great when dealing with the recalls because they are. They are the ONLY company that sent their own representatives to examine the rifles in question in the store.
I never said that the recall was on Axis. It was on one of their rimfire models. We do inspect all the rifles that are coming to the store (thus safety inspection sticker on the box) and when we can see something wrong with one we sending it back. That's what happened with the number of Axis rifles. Simple enough? I'm done with you Sir. You are pretty much hopeless. Information is here for anybody interested in buying one. Good enough for me. Over and out of the conversation with you.
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Fair enough, done with you too...have a nice day.
 
years ago guys used to buy surplus rifles and screw around with them , re barrel , re chamber , cut the stocks up or restock them , cut drill tap , polish , grind , machine ect.....

and have fun just playing with them ..... what ever your feelings about this , it happened ....

slowly the various surplus rifles have dried up and have gone from dirt cheap to incredibly expensive { for a uncut version } .

now what is left out there for inexpensive rifles to screw around with .......

enter savage with the various 10 and 110 models .....

then the rebranded stevens 200 .

and now the very inexpensive axis .

they are very easy to screw around with .

the axis uses the same small shank barrel off of the savage stevens line of rifles .

the axis action is very stiff , being of similar dimensions of their target actions .

the trigger system is surprisingly easy to screw around with ...... [also very easy to mess up and make unsafe by those unskilled ]

the barrel is very easily changed out , and a barrel of a different caliber just as easily screwed in .... used savage barrels are inexpensive ......
a person with a lathe and a barrel blank and few working brain cells can figure out how thread and chamber to make the blank work with the action .

again a person with a few working brain cells can also figure out how to make or modify the magazine for more capacity.

something like a left hand eject on a right handed rifle is also something easily done with a few working brain cells .....


just like the old inexpensive surplus rifles , a guy can buy one of these and play with it to his hearts content ..... but with one huge advantage , these rifles will safely handle modern ammunition , loaded to modern pressure levels .

out of the box they shoot under a inch at one hundred yards .... with tinkering , even tighter .

why I bought one ....... I was looking for a used one to tinker with , then wss had a sale and I picked up a new stainless one for under three hundred after taxes , and it came with a fifty dollar rebate .

savage is selling a crapload of these rifles ........................... just like it took time for the stevens rifles to catch on , in due time people will start to see the potential of the actions on these rifles .

the few times I have been on the phone with savage , their customer service is excellent . they seem very end user driven .


if you don't like this, then just piss off ....... seriously

the same constant complaining by the same people over and over and over again is getting tiresome ......

a guy posts a question about his rifle , then gets dogpiled on by a bunch of the same people regurgitating the same old complaints , just like they had cut and pasted them from a previous post .

it pretty much smacks of harassment ....... it is also very similar to what has { maybe still is } happened with sks owners .........

seriously just piss off with the negativity .....

people wonder Canadian firearms owners are so divided ....

this is a big reason ......

some sh.thead trying to feel superior to someone else by putting down their choice of firearm

just piss off .


right out of the box 99% savage rifles function just fine ......

and for the most part who are buying these rifles ..... ?

new people to firearms ......
the same new people getting dogpiled on by the same group of people insisting that they make all people who buy a certain firearm feel like sh.t about their purchase .......

let them have fun with their toy
 
If you can't take the argument on the internet board and expecting everybody to agree with your views...maybe it's better to stay away from this forum instead of trying to tell the others to piss off?
Just saying. It's the internet. Do what you want to do. It's your money.
 
burnt_servo said:
years ago guys used to buy surplus rifles and screw around with them , re barrel , re chamber , cut the stocks up or restock them , cut drill tap , polish , grind , machine ect.....

and have fun just playing with them ..... what ever your feelings about this , it happened ....

slowly the various surplus rifles have dried up and have gone from dirt cheap to incredibly expensive { for a uncut version } .

now what is left out there for inexpensive rifles to screw around with .......

enter savage with the various 10 and 110 models .....

then the rebranded stevens 200 .

and now the very inexpensive axis .

they are very easy to screw around with .

the axis uses the same small shank barrel off of the savage stevens line of rifles .

the axis action is very stiff , being of similar dimensions of their target actions .

the trigger system is surprisingly easy to screw around with ...... [also very easy to mess up and make unsafe by those unskilled ]

the barrel is very easily changed out , and a barrel of a different caliber just as easily screwed in .... used savage barrels are inexpensive ......
a person with a lathe and a barrel blank and few working brain cells can figure out how thread and chamber to make the blank work with the action .

again a person with a few working brain cells can also figure out how to make or modify the magazine for more capacity.

something like a left hand eject on a right handed rifle is also something easily done with a few working brain cells .....


just like the old inexpensive surplus rifles , a guy can buy one of these and play with it to his hearts content ..... but with one huge advantage , these rifles will safely handle modern ammunition , loaded to modern pressure levels .

out of the box they shoot under a inch at one hundred yards .... with tinkering , even tighter .

why I bought one ....... I was looking for a used one to tinker with , then wss had a sale and I picked up a new stainless one for under three hundred after taxes , and it came with a fifty dollar rebate .

savage is selling a crapload of these rifles ........................... just like it took time for the stevens rifles to catch on , in due time people will start to see the potential of the actions on these rifles .

the few times I have been on the phone with savage , their customer service is excellent . they seem very end user driven .


if you don't like this, then just piss off ....... seriously

the same constant complaining by the same people over and over and over again is getting tiresome ......

a guy posts a question about his rifle , then gets dogpiled on by a bunch of the same people regurgitating the same old complaints , just like they had cut and pasted them from a previous post .

it pretty much smacks of harassment ....... it is also very similar to what has { maybe still is } happened with sks owners .........

seriously just piss off with the negativity .....

people wonder Canadian firearms owners are so divided ....

this is a big reason ......

some sh.thead trying to feel superior to someone else by putting down their choice of firearm

just piss off .


right out of the box 99% savage rifles function just fine ......

and for the most part who are buying these rifles ..... ?

new people to firearms ......
the same new people getting dogpiled on by the same group of people insisting that they make all people who buy a certain firearm feel like sh.t about their purchase .......

let them have fun with their toy
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Just piss off......... Love it!

Nobody Posted a question about their rifle, the question was "WHY DOES EVERYONE GIVE THE AXIS A HARD TIME?"

If you can't handle the answers of a one sided question........
 
Well I've been convinced to sell my Axis from this thread....I can no longer look as it without feeling disgust and buyers remorse lol.
I'll haul it off to the local consignment shop and see if some sucker will part with $200 for it.....cheap pile of #### lol
 
This is kind of funny.... And apparently I am a stooge..... Go figure..... Considered myself more of a dork, but anyways....

The axis is what it is..... And the op asked why the hate?.... And that was likely answered 300 posts ago.... The "hate" is not a "hate" at all..... The issue comes from the fact that axis owners (for the most part, have seen some smart ones ie. Awndray, Yorgi) , tend to try and make it more than what it is..... There are no shortcomings....

We see claims in this thread of a group routinely offhand shooting gongs at 200, constant sub MOA groups, laughing at the guys at the range because they know that their axis is the more accurate gun at a bargain basement price point, scoffing at seasoned experienced owners who tell them to save for something better etc....

If you are on a budget and th axis is all you can afford or even if your commitment to hunting and shooting only is 20% of your hobby time, this may be the rifle for you..... Or if you have a need like Yorgi, a rifle you take out 2-3 times a year for a few shots..... Maybe that fits.....

There is no "hate" from me..... If you like it, and you shoot it, then enjoy it, but realize its shortcomings...... Coming on CGN and preaching the axis as if it's the second coming is like trying to tell people that enjoy a good t-bone or porterhouse that a cowboy steak is just as good..... It isn't.... Not even close.....
 
Is this a firearms exclusive matter of argument, or do owners of second rate equipment everywhere try to trumpet claims?
I own a jeep grand cherokee, a vehicle a i do like and enjoy, but I sure don't try to compare it to a bentley or even a Cadillac.
 
heronfish said:
Is this a firearms exclusive matter of argument, or do owners of second rate equipment everywhere try to trumpet claims?
I own a jeep grand cherokee, a vehicle a i do like and enjoy, but I sure don't try to compare it to a bentley or even a Cadillac.
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Exactly..... I drive a Chevy Cruze as my daily driver..... It's not a cool car..... It's not a nice car...... But it gets me where I am going, and because I commute 200km a day, it is the best vehicle for me.... It was cheap to buy, good on gas, and when the miles get racked up, I can buy another one..... (That being said, if it strands me roadside and I need a tow I would deal with that, before I would deal with being stranded on a hunt with a defective rifle in a heartbeat) ......

But i don't look down at Cadillac owners and tell them I get from a to b as good as they do.....
 
I bought a new stainless Axis and it was not good.

When the trigger was being pulled, the action moved enough that I had to lift my head to keep in line with the crosshairs. This was not because of a loose screw, but a bedding design issue which required a lot of buildup of bedding compound to tighten up. This was much more difficult than it would have been with other models - there was no base to build from. If this was the only issue and the gun was otherwise decent, I could blink and drive on - but it wasn't...

About three or four out of five shots would light up when the trigger was pulled - Savage sent me a new spring and that fixed it - I think ... not many bullets ever did go down the pipe because...

Each time that a bullet did go off, the clip would drop out. Those thingys are called clip type magazines because they are supposed to clip in and only come out when it is desired - and after each shot is just not desirable. It might be okay when hunting if a hunter only uses one shot - but even then, remembering to pick it up off the ground when I get back down out of the tree stand to gut the deer is just hard to remember - at my age. I silver soldered a new piece of metal on the little tab that gets clipped to - and that seemed to fix that - but Savage clips are very thin at the best of times. It is a great design that can work as well as they do - with clips that cannot bear being sat on.

The stock is too long - my awkward teenage years came and went long ago, but the axis makes me feel like a teenager again - and my neck never was long enough to reach Axis-far. Cutting a stock off is no big deal - except for an Axis stock - it has a goofy new clip-type butt plate that does not fall off - shoulda had that guy design the magazine - but it is not a nice job to shorten the pull either. I don't remember how I did it - I don't need to cause - I won't have another.

When I was young, we was po' folks - I thought that they must make used cars somewhere - cause I had never known anyone to buy a new one. My old Javelin had windows that fell down into the door when you rolled the window down and vacuum powered wipers that didn't work going uphill and I forgot to hook up the ground wire from the motor to frame after I rebuilt the motor - so the alternator would boil the acid out of the battery regularly - that cleared the sinuses - and it was really funny when the transmission vent plugged up and blew the modulator valve diaphragm out and all the tranny oil into the intake manifold and that guy behind me went off the road to escape the thick fog of oil smoke - and and and - I'm just saying this stuff to make me remember that fixer uppers taught me everything that I know - and I know now, what that Axis is and aint.
 
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