Why Does The US Military Still Use Pump Shotguns?

I Dont Care About You said:
I see the shotgun poised to make a major comeback in military service only this time it will be long barrelled, sporting type shotguns as those will be the most effective against FPV drones. What's old is new again. ;)
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I think you're right. Shotguns for drones as another cheap tool in the box.

Question, would 10 ga give an advantage over 12 ga against drones?
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The whole "slam fire" thing has been tested and found to be stupid and ineffective. It is not faster than a conventional pump shotgun but it is definitely less effective because it results in the muzzle being jerked around in the process.
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Yeah, forget accuracy beyond extremely close range, but sometimes trench raids got that close and personal. And that was a tactic used back then that was later re-evaluated and set aside.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
I see the shotgun poised to make a major comeback in military service only this time it will be long barrelled, sporting type shotguns as those will be the most effective against FPV drones. What's old is new again. ;)
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Riflemen, machine gun guy, grenadiers, medic, designated marksman and guy with a shotgun.
 
Pump action shotguns like revolvers are more reliable to go Bang when needed .
They can hold up better to less cleaning and Shotguns with right ammo very powerful at close range .
I also like the idea of Drone hunting within effective range of shotguns.
 
paratrooper777 said:
Pump action shotguns like revolvers are more reliable to go Bang when needed .
They can hold up better to less cleaning and Shotguns with right ammo very powerful at close range .
I also like the idea of Drone hunting within effective range of shotguns.
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Idk about the fouling comment? There are many here who've fired thousands of shells through their 1301, and or M4, and have NEVER cleaned them, and they work just fine.
At this stage, I believe the military still uses pumps because they are far cheaper than auto shotguns? That or, "why fix what ain't broke?" type attitude?
 
The reliability argument may have been a lot more obvious when semis were the new tech on the block and pumps, bolts, levers, and revolvers were mature designs. A modern semi may go very nearly as far between stoppages, but since it moves more rounds downrange more easily is going to get to needing work that much sooner!
 
I actually think semis now have better real world reliability than pumps, at least when you include short stroke malfunctions.

The only caveats being that semis require regular lubing and maintenance.

Also that they're more ammo sensitive, not just spec wise, but also in terms of not liking when shotshells are exposed to enough heat and pressure to cause even subtle deformation.
 
geologist said:
I think you're right. Shotguns for drones as another cheap tool in the box.

Question, would 10 ga give an advantage over 12 ga against drones?
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Bigger payload is always gonna be more effective. Problem with 10ga is bigger, heavier gun, bigger, heavier ammo that is fairly outside the normal supply chain. Like 9mm, 12ga will win out because it is the easiest to deal with.


old303 said:
Yeah, forget accuracy beyond extremely close range, but sometimes trench raids got that close and personal. And that was a tactic used back then that was later re-evaluated and set aside.
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Yet people keep talking about it as if it is soooooo awesome.


call2arms said:
But the anti drone guy is a former Olympic skeet shooter with 32” barrels
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LOL


870P said:
I actually think semis now have better real world reliability than pumps, at least when you include short stroke malfunctions.
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A short stroke is a user error and shouldn't count against the gun. Learn to use the thing properly and it'll work every time.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
A short stroke is a user error and shouldn't count against the gun. Learn to use the thing properly and it'll work every time.
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The design is susceptible enough to it that I've seen even the likes of Jerry Miculek, Chris Costa, Louis Awerbuck, Brian Hoffner and few more that I can't remember the names of, short stroke on their own demonstration videos.

Add in life and death stress levels and the need to sometimes have to fire from less than ideal positions, and you could have a problem.
 
870P said:
The design is susceptible enough to it that I've seen even the likes of Jerry Miculek, Chris Costa, Louis Awerbuck, Brian Hoffner and few more that I can't remember the names of, short stroke on their own demonstration videos.

Add in life and death stress levels and the need to sometimes have to fire from less than ideal positions, and you could have a problem.
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I was thinking that I had to shoot my HP9-1 beacause running a pump is a perishable skill.

I get to the range, load it with birdshot and short stroke the 3rd round...........
 
The most effective anti-drone shotgun and loads would be the ones designed for goose hunting. Fairly hefty target, moving quickly at extended distance. Long barrel, full choke, heavy load of lead shot would be the ticket.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The most effective anti-drone shotgun and loads would be the ones designed for goose hunting. Fairly hefty target, moving quickly at extended distance. Long barrel, full choke, heavy load of lead shot would be the ticket.
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Indeed, however as a soldier who might also encounter enemy personnel I'd want 27 pellet #4 buckshot as a compromise.
 
Im building an M500 A2 with the Military Enhancement Kit.I love how the US take and improve on proven platforms.A breacher is always handy in military situations.A pump is very reliable.
 
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