Why don't IPSC shooters like 3-gun?

IPSC shooter here. I love 3 gun!!!! (more than ipsc truth be told... less politiking) IPSC shooters that do not like 3 gun, by and large do not cross train on other platforms so they feel disadvantaged when they dont make the top 10 (waaaaah) or they feel that deep down, there is a better audience for 3 gun than ipsc, and then it is just jealousy.

IMHO of course.
 
Because they don't let us do it in QC... sûreté du QC takes 'distinct society' a little too seriously... ��

Really? Now that sucks...

Oops, never mind... I just noticed that according to DT741, there are plenty of matches in La Belle Province. :)
 
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No 3 gun matches I can find in NS.....

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Takes forever to setup, make ready, score and reset. I have no patience for any of that stuff. Specially a yellow card that take 2 minutes to shoot a 20 secs stage. Imagine with a rifle and shotgun part into that stage. No thanks Jeff.
 
I’ve been a long time IPSC shooter (took a year off but back for the 2018 season) and I am now an avid supporter and shooter of 3gun. I shot 3 gun IPSC style in the past and thought it sucked...
To the OP’s question:
1) Fear; I’ve seen lots of new IPSC shooters vapor lock in fear when new, the though of multiple platforms must terrify them. A seasoned shooter would have to know those uncomfortable feelings will return if they try something new.
2) Laziness; most IPSC shooters have a hard time dragging around the equipment for one gun and many times forget important gear at home. 3gun means 3 times the work (reloading, cleaning, prepping).
3) Safety; 3gun has a multitude of rule books and no specific training program. It is in its infancy much like IPSC was decades ago. IPSC shooters might complain over the thick rule book and the rigid following of it but they also find comfort in it.
4) Expense; gear isn’t cheap, nor is feeding them.

All that said,
-You can find the money if you want to.
-If your on here you are probably looking for a reason to buy gear anyway.
-It will get safer if you become engaged, promote safety and take part.
-You needed to get off the couch anyway, and
-You will never grow if you stay inside a bubble, embrace the fear and use it.

In the league I shoot 3gun in more than half are IPSC members and we like it.
 
Simple economics for me, Trying to compete at a half decent level in IPSC pretty much maxes out the disposable income I'm prepared to dedicate to shooting as I near retirement age.
 
I shoot IPSC and 3 gun when I can. I prefer IPSC because I find it more challenging and faster paced. I cant say I'm a fan of all the stopping and starting involved with 3 gun. The picking up, loading, shooting, unloading, dropping x2 doesn't appeal to me as much. I have the most fun running and gunning and don't get the same rush I do with IPSC.

Now if I could use something like a new Scorpion, Vector, PCC, etc with w/o mag restrictions I might change my mind.
 
I shoot IPSC and 3 gun when I can. I prefer IPSC because I find it more challenging and faster paced. I cant say I'm a fan of all the stopping and starting involved with 3 gun. The picking up, loading, shooting, unloading, dropping x2 doesn't appeal to me as much. I have the most fun running and gunning and don't get the same rush I do with IPSC.

Now if I could use something like a new Scorpion, Vector, PCC, etc with w/o mag restrictions I might change my mind.

I shoot 3 gun with my Vector or AR depending on my mood. Glock 40 10mm Vector 10mm and Shotgun... 3 guns, 2 kinds of ammo, glock mags and shotgun reloaders and i am set. ... easy peasey
 
Watching 3gun videos on YouTube is what finally pushed me over the edge towards getting my restricted and then a pistol and an ar two years ago, been hooked ever since (bought enough gear to get going and just been inching closer to that perfect setup whenever I can afford a new piece of gear). Finally shot my first ipsc match a couple months back and I gotta say if all I had to shoot was ipsc I would probably find my participation starting to taper off within a couple years. I have to drive a minimum of 2 hours to go to any type of match, more often four or six hours +. So while those fast paced 10 to 30 second stages are what keeps some guys going, I enjoy shooting guns and enjoy hanging around with people that like shooting so I don't mind a little bit longer setups or matches that go most of the day, it's an outing for me. Yes it's expencive as in you can spend as much as you cc will allow or you can buy stuff a bit cheaper to save for ammo and gear. I should probably stop now may have lost the original tone of the tread sorry guys just my $.02
 
"because unless you have a black badge you might kill someone" (insert old lady's voice) here: they press clubs to force members to have a blackbadge in order to use a holster .... stupid ... but clever $$$$
 
Brand new IPSC shooter here....love it.
Thoroughly enjoyed the Black Badge program. #safetyfirst
Can't wait to take part in a 3 Gun match.
Please more 3 Gun in Nova Scotia....sign me up
 
DO 3 gun matches require a black badge?

To the guy who said he likes a shooting challenge not a marathon, I guess that has more to do with taste than anything else.

FOr some people, trying to shoot accurately on the clock when you are winded from having bashed through several hundred meters of wooded trail is far more of a shooting challenge than your 11 second sprint stage that you can do without even tightening up your solomon speedcrosses :)

I guess this is the exactly same debate between sprinters and marathon runners have trying to decide who is the faster runner.

To each their own. Some people love to dive in hard on one very specific sport and go as far as they can with it, maybe all the way to the Olympics, if IPSC were allowed at the Olympics. Others are generalists that like to dabble, are interested in being proficient under a wide array of circumstances with a wide array of equipment, and aren't so concerned with being the fastest/best at one particular thing.

I find that IPSC shooters are about average when it comes to having their core group of exclusive IPSC shooters, compared to any other sport like Biathlon, Sporting Rifle, Trap/SKeet, and on and on.

The thing I like most about 3 gun matches, is the longer the stage, ie the longer the marathon, the less your kit matters, and more your skill comes into play. In a 10 minute long stage, having a benelli M1 vs a Remington 870 doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you can manage your ammo effectively.

IN the 10 second or less stages that I see most often at IPSC events, the best shooter in the world with a factory Glock will lose.
 
Shoot Both and enjoy Both. It all comes down to money/ budget.
5 yrs ago I was very hesitant to invest on a Shotgun ($ 2500) with gears with no Match to go. or 1 -2 matches a year?. Thanks to OAS at least 6 matches minimum was possible for the last 2 years. Same with the Rifle, $2500-$3500 , your looking at $7000.00 for a good SG and Rifle and only to 1-2 matches a year if your lucky. Hopefully in the coming years. This year was a very productive one for me. 7 SG only matches, 6 Rifle only matches and 3 3Gun and a few IPSC pistol matches.
 
"because unless you have a black badge you might kill someone" (insert old lady's voice) here: they press clubs to force members to have a blackbadge in order to use a holster .... stupid ... but clever $$$$

Really? I found it to be the cheapest training by far. Nobody is getting rich from BB training and giving up 3 weekend days? I wouldn't do it. Try a TDSA holster course for $300+ plus the non-member club fee for 6 hours. It was fun but not cheap.

The BB course is an easy way for clubs to weed out those who shouldn't be walking around with a loaded gun, it keeps them to the fixed ranges and everyone is safer because of it.
 
Y'want my blunt take on it.. ?

Fear.

A lot of guys have big egos attached to their primary game. Stepping out of their comfort zone at the risk of performing less than stellar is something some personalities can't deal with.
Then you need to define what you mean by "3gun"... There are a few flavours as far as i can tell.
I just returned from my 8th Blue Ridge Mountain 3Gun match... 9 stages over three days all shot in natural terrain where the stages are so long the RO has to chase you in a glof cart... Now that's my kind of 3gun.

A couplr ofvids from this years match posted by some other shooters..

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Handgun targets from point blank to rifle steel out to 400 yards and all sorts of shotgun all in one stage. What's not to love?
Would I drive 30 min to shoot a zombie match where 90% of the participants are doll'd up like they looted the local army surplus store...? Probably not.

ETA... Another thing that might keep some people away from 3gun is the shear amount of gear you have to haul... It's far easier to grab your ONE range bag and head out to your local IPSC match than it is to load up a pickup truck with guns/ammo and everything else you need for a multigun shoot

Wow - where is this place.? I shoot multi gun matche in ontario - BUT nothing like this ?
 
The BB course is an easy way for clubs to weed out those who shouldn't be walking around with a loaded gun, it keeps them to the fixed ranges and everyone is safer because of it.

LOL! Most people can master the use of a holster in 5 minutes or less. If the black badge was so great at making people safe why do many IPSC people still get DQd for safety?

Accidents happen, and it can happen to anyone who lets their attention slip, but for a second. Show me one shred of evidence that the black badge does anything to reduce the rate of accidents, or that any of the action sports that do not require a Black Badge have higher rates of accidents than IPSC.
 
Please don't derail a thread with the BB hating BS. That horse has already been beaten into the dirt.

I used to shoot lots of 3 gun and lots of IPSC. I don't have time to shoot/practice both, and at the same time try to keep a good relationship with my wife going.

Basically comes down to not enough time.
 
Three gun costs too much to get into andfeed, and you can't really become proficient with all three as quickly as with one gun.

If I start something I won't stop until I'm proficient.
 
The cost argument. How much live fire practice do you need with your rifle to be proficient? It's point and pull the trigger...know your holds. Same with the shotgun. Practice loading with dummy rounds is practically free, and shooting isn't a big challenge. Rifle and shotgun do not require anywhere close to the amount of time practicing as pistol. The newbies at 3 gun matches always seem to do okay with rifle and shotgun (as long as their rifle is zeroed). Shotgun loading is slow...but the real issues show when it comes time to shoot steel with a pistol.

For the gear, you need a shell holder or two and a rifle mag pouch...tape a few LAR mags together. If you don't have a rifle already, maybe you're not interested in shooting one to begin with? Do you need a high end semi auto shotgun to be competitive? Here in Canada a pump has an advantage in that you can add a longer mag tube and start with more rounds ready to go. I am happy with my cheap pump with cheap mag extension and a dremeled out loading port, at least for local matches.
 
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