Why Dr Dave Resigned

And so it continues

As I have said in the past ,
The bullsh!t IPSC politics harms IPSC.

It is sad to see an IPSC foundation like Dave go.
He has done more for the sport than anyone I know.
IPSC has lost a fine asset and will be poorer for it.

Best of luck to you Dave ! - You have earned a well deserved rest .
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Dave, I am sorry to hear that but I am not surprised and I understand why.

Since Wolf is not a current member of IPSC Ontario, does this mean Carmine is replacing Dave?

It would be nice to know WTF is going with this board.
 
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johnespos said:
Since Wolf is no a current member of IPSC Ontario, does this mean Carmine is replacing Dave?
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If I'm reading the 1996 Constitution correctly, while the board can replace a board member who resigns or is voted out, there is no language guiding them as to who fills a vacant position.

While it seems obvious to defer to the short list of candidates who'd thrown thier hat in the ring 4 months ago, it doesn't seem to be set in stone.
 
Canuck223 said:
If I'm reading the 1996 Constitution correctly, while the board can replace a board member who resigns or is voted out, there is no language guiding them as to who fills a vacant position.

While it seems obvious to defer to the short list of candidates who'd thrown thier hat in the ring 4 months ago, it doesn't seem to be set in stone.
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As you know I have my own ax to grind here so I am letting you know. This is my opinion, please correct me if I am wrong!

There is no constitution. We cannot quote from it because IPSC Ontario is not incorporated.
The way I see it (my interpretation and it may be wrong) the Board can do whatever they want until IPSC Ontario is incorporated and a constitution is in place.

I think it is time for the membership to wake up. Ask your questions to the Board, find out how it works (I cannot get an answer) and let them know what you think. They need guidance from the membership so that we can save IPSC Ontario. Quite frankly, I think this thing is broken.
Can we fix it?
Who can fix it?
Who wants to fix it?

Until then we deserve what we get.
 
johnespos said:
There is no constitution. We cannot quote from it because IPSC Ontario is not incorporated.
The way I see it (my interpretation and it may be wrong) the Board can do whatever they want until IPSC Ontario is incorporated.
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In an imperfect world, you are correct. However, many organizations evolve like we have. You are likely correct, and since the 1996 constitution was not voted on by the members (or possibly even the board),it is only a framework document. However, it's the only framework we have.
 
I believe the majority of IPSC Ontario members have lost faith in the current BOD. But, without a constitution there is little we can do about the situation.

It is beginning to look like deja vu (circa 1995) all over again. CPSA anyone??
 
arancio said:
I believe the majority of IPSC Ontario members have lost faith in the current BOD. But, without a constitution there is little we can do about the situation.

It is beginning to look like deja vu (circa 1995) all over again. CPSA anyone??
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It may be time for IPSC Canada to guide us. (If they can or even want to)

I do not want to quit IPSC in Ontario because of this Board. I hope we as IPSC members in Ontario can rally together and fix this. I still think (my opinion) it is the best shooting sport. When I see all the work members and clubs do to make IPSC matches happen, I wonder what they did to deserve this Board.

What can we do to fix this mess?
I am open to suggestions.
 
johnespos said:
It may be time for IPSC Canada to guide us. (If they can or even want to)

I do not want to quit IPSC in Ontario because of this Board. I hope we as IPSC members in Ontario can rally together and fix this. I still think (my opinion) it is the best shooting sport. When I see all the work members and clubs do to make IPSC matches happen, I wonder what they did to deserve this Board.

What can we do to fix this mess?
I am open to suggestions.
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To quote a PM I just received:

"we called a special meeting, it was 30 days from the time of the mailing, and at that meeting we tabled a motion from the floor to eliminate the current BOD based on the answers from several members and a new BOD was elected. The constitution is not law, it may be for the club rules, but there are several parts of the act itself that must be written into the constitution, and if not, the way it is written can be super seeded by the way it is written int he act, and I believe the BOD is one of those situations"

We would need a copy of the mailing list.
 
ok............so i am a tad slow here.
I just clued in to the fact that the OP is in fact the good Dr Dave.

Now I am confused. When JohnEsp went public with his battle on CGN he was castigated by some (including the board IIRC) for doing so.

Now we have this???
 
PeterPan said:
Since my letters to BOD are unanswered (one of the promises before election was... I will answer all your letters...)
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I am not sure who promised you that... but I will accept what you say as "fact"... It surprises me that your letters go unanswered. I would, at the very least, expect the board to reply to your letters even with a simple "I'll look into it and get back to you." Maybe I have been fortunate enough to only ask the easy questions, as I always get a reply. Mind you I don't expect the BOD to put their lives on hold to answer my questions immediately. I respect the fact the BOD have families, relationships, careers, practices,... lives, outside of IPSC. I usually get the answers I need within a week or so. I think that is fair of our volunteer BOD.

PeterPan said:
... I would like to use this site (since we don't have any other, another promise)...
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A promise that is being worked on... (rumour has it, you are computer savvy,... you do not have to be a member of the board to offer a helping hand...) (and that was not meant to be a low blow... just pointing out that we have a vast amount of differing experiences and skills in life and the board looks to within its membership to aquire skills and services. Hense the reason our membership renewal forms always asks for our occupation.)

PeterPan said:
...Why IPSC ON Board is going to Sudbury instead try to fix problems at home...
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Did I miss the news report of Sudbury falling off the face of Ontario?
Oh the blasphemy... IPSC ONTARIO promoting IPSC in ONTARIO :eek:
 
johnespos said:
It may be time for IPSC Canada to guide us.
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ha:ha:ha:ha:ha:ha:ha:


yeah right.. After the last nationals and the politics that went on after that one.. it looks like the IPSC Ont board, and IPSC Canada will get along "just fine". ............ all by themselves.. with no shooters.. they all left.. hehehehe
 
johnespos said:
The way I see it (my interpretation and it may be wrong) the Board can do whatever they want until IPSC Ontario is incorporated and a constitution is in place...

...so that we can save IPSC Ontario. Quite frankly, I think this thing is broken.
Can we fix it?
Who can fix it?
Who wants to fix it?
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Taken from a post I put up in an earlier thread...

Not three full months into this newly elected board and I have seen:
1) A Club Rep meeting (1st one in over 15 years);
2) A President / Section Coordinator taking a more active roll in our Provincials;
3) Aggressively addressing a new classification system;
4) Addressing the fact that the AGM should not be held at our Provincials (not the right place to be mixing our provincials with a meeting of, let's face it, the politics of our organization);
5) Incorporating and our constitution being dealt with by the services of a lawyer;
... I could keep going.... (And I will)
6) Financially stable;
7) Working on a IPSC Ontario membership forum

Broken? Fix what? PROGRESS

Has IPSC Ontario ever run better?

I see fresh energy, fresh ideas, fresh enthusiasm backed up by some very experienced individuals that have dedicated a good part of their lives to our sport.
 
Filthy1 said:
. It surprises me that your letters go unanswered. I would, at the very least, expect the board to reply to your letters even with a simple "I'll look into it and get back to you."
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Actually I think the exact quote (From a BOD member) was.. "I would like you to remove my email address from your mailing list. I no longer wish to get email from you from here on out since you willfully display my address so everyone else can see it."

after repeated requests for an answer to the BOD, Dr Dave was the only one to attempt to provide one.. (He is not the one being quoted above BTW..)

Still Surprised Now??? If the board does not communicate with it's members, than the members will take those communications to other places (like here..)
 
Filthy1 said:
Broken? Fix what? PROGRESS

Has IPSC Ontario ever run better?

I see fresh energy, fresh ideas, fresh enthusiasm backed up by some very experienced individuals that have dedicated a good part of their lives to our sport.
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I have also seen the largest ####storm in my 11 years of IPSC. That needs to be factored in as well and has the potential to defeat all of the good as you rightly point out above.
 
stormbringer said:
I have also seen the largest s**tstorm in my 11 years of IPSC. That needs to be factored in as well and has the potential to defeat all of the good as you rightly point out above.
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I would venture to guess that this "largest s**tstorm" is simply the largest s**tstorm displayed on the open forum. I would also venture to say we have probably had larger s**tstorms that got resolved prior to getting blown up and openly aired.
 
Filthy1 said:
I would venture to guess that this "largest s**tstorm" is simply the largest s**tstorm displayed on the open forum. I would also venture to say we have probably had larger s**tstorms that got resolved prior to getting blown up and openly aired.
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Well as I have said about 3 times now.

For justice to be served it must be SEEN to be served.

What have we learned here?

The whole thing appears to be turning into a cluster #### of epic porportions. I hope that it can be cleaned up but that must be done and should have been done at the top.

It is telling however that one of those "at the top" has now jumped off the top. So much for things getting resolved.
 
Filthy1 said:
Taken from a post I put up in an earlier thread...

Not three full months into this newly elected board and I have seen:
1) A Club Rep meeting (1st one in over 15 years);
2) A President / Section Coordinator taking a more active roll in our Provincials;
3) Aggressively addressing a new classification system;
4) Addressing the fact that the AGM should not be held at our Provincials (not the right place to be mixing our provincials with a meeting of, let's face it, the politics of our organization);
5) Incorporating and our constitution being dealt with by the services of a lawyer;
... I could keep going.... (And I will)
6) Financially stable;
7) Working on a IPSC Ontario membership forum

Broken? Fix what? PROGRESS

Has IPSC Ontario ever run better?

I see fresh energy, fresh ideas, fresh enthusiasm backed up by some very experienced individuals that have dedicated a good part of their lives to our sport.
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1) Firefighting the sh!t storm they caused.
2) Meddling or actually doing the work of an MD ??
3) Yes
4) A standing request of many years and no change yet.
5) A disinterested lawyer or a friend??
6) By whose accounting?? Have we seen an audited Financial Statement??
7) Some years back IIRC there was an IPSC Ontario forum. I think it was sh!t canned when someone didn't like the tone of some threads.

Broken?? YES.

Yes it was run better back in the late 80's and early 90's.

God I wish I had a pair of rose coloured glasses.
 
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