Why from milsurp world only Mosin rifles does not increase in price?

Very high numbers of rifles, and in the 'surp world a decade isn't really that long. If the cheap ammo goes away(or diminishes), the prices on these gems may even drop a bit.

Make a video game that stars the Mosin, and prices could climb.

Things can change due general appreciation...few years ago a Chinese SKS could be had for aprox $100(with a case of ammo)...find one for that now.

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I know SFRC had a Father's day sale (2 or 3 years ago?) where a Mosin could be had for $110. They are climbing...
 
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Why do people always assume the price has to go up? Overall the price of Mosin Nagants have gone up (look at M39s for a example of ridiculousness), but m91/30s haven't due to availability, and lack of demand.

The price of milsurps don't always go up, certain firearms have remained at fairly consistent prices (Carcanos, M95s, etc.). Even things like Enfield's have been pretty stable for a while.

It's all supply and demand. I own certain firearms which are exceptionally rare, however they possess very little value just due to a lack of demand. If they were more common they might actually be worth more as more people might get more interest in them.
 
Probably because they were produced in insane quantities(60 million~), are quite crude, poor handling, innacurate, poor sights. Holding side one side by side to most any other milsurp they really are bottom barrel rifles, granted there some ok-ish variations. People commonly joke they were put together by a drunk Ivan, that says a lot. The plus side is they are cheap, shoot cheap and powerful ammo and have probably introduced a lot of new shooters to firearms and hunting. I just couldn't see the average person who isn't a milsurp buff or seen enemy at the gates choosing it off the racks at the LGS all that often. We're in the generation of new shiny disposable crap.
 
Yup, sometimes the fugly factor can play havoc with potential buyers. I just think they are too ugly and cumbersome looking to really want. MAYBE, if someone gave me one, I might keep it and shoot it, but I have an SVT-40 that is SUPER accurate , reliable, and likes to eat all my 7.62x54R.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Why do people always assume the price has to go up? Overall the price of Mosin Nagants have gone up (look at M39s for a example of ridiculousness), but m91/30s haven't due to availability, and lack of demand.

The price of milsurps don't always go up, certain firearms have remained at fairly consistent prices (Carcanos, M95s, etc.). Even things like Enfield's have been pretty stable for a while.

It's all supply and demand. I own certain firearms which are exceptionally rare, however they possess very little value just due to a lack of demand. If they were more common they might actually be worth more as more people might get more interest in them.
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Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say Carcanos have doubled in price over the last 10 years and it's been awhile since I've seen a $200 full wood M95. M91/30s have stayed relatively the same, but expect that to climb when they stop being imported. I remember 15 years ago you had your pick of $80 M44s and Turkish Mausers, now they're $350ish for a decent Russian M44 (more for Polish, I can't remember the last time I saw a Romanian or Hungarian and I haven't seen a Chinese T-53 IN 15 years) and Turkish Mausers seem to be hitting the $300 mark.

As for the M39s... Well, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think the prices were higher than they ought to be, but the reality is they're not going to go down. They were hitting the over $1000 mark already before this import and will be again as soon as it's over. I bought one of the recent crop myself and I'd be shocked if I ever took a loss on it.
 
j_06 said:
Probably because they were produced in insane quantities(60 million~), are quite crude, poor handling, innacurate, poor sights. Holding side one side by side to most any other milsurp they really are bottom barrel rifles, granted there some ok-ish variations. People commonly joke they were put together by a drunk Ivan, that says a lot. The plus side is they are cheap, shoot cheap and powerful ammo and have probably introduced a lot of new shooters to firearms and hunting. I just couldn't see the average person who isn't a milsurp buff or seen enemy at the gates choosing it off the racks at the LGS all that often. We're in the generation of new shiny disposable crap.
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Interesting. I'm not a fan of MNs in general, but statements like this..... I like.
- How come "poor sights" type was a standard type for most of European armies and served million of european soldiers very well.
- How come that for this type of sights operator can see clear vertical alignment and is doing the best to guess horizontal, while with LE or M1 peep type of sights operator have to guess both vertical and horizontal? Peep sight looks like very primitive design from technical point of view. I can tell you this for sure as I used to design devices for measurement and consider how users read them.
- How come most of users consider MN as accurate as any bolt action rifle of that period?
- "Crude" and "bottom of the barrel"? Have you handled at least one rifle in original collectible condition with original fitting? Should I call "bottom of the barrel" all LEs because most I see are desportsterized or refurbished rifles?
- Did you have a chance to compare MN with other firearm produced for 5-million army (before war) within underdeveloped economics, science and technologies?

It is what it is, not worse and not better, just a product of its time and circumstances. The only reason for low price (or any price for any firearm) is demand and availability. Quality and personal assessments do not influence the price of firearm at all. Just look at the price of any crude late war G/K43.
 
Thank you Horilka. Finally someone else who agrees with me that tangent sights have advantages over peep sights.
 
Nyles said:
Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say Carcanos have doubled in price over the last 10 years and it's been awhile since I've seen a $200 full wood M95. M91/30s have stayed relatively the same, but expect that to climb when they stop being imported. I remember 15 years ago you had your pick of $80 M44s and Turkish Mausers, now they're $350ish for a decent Russian M44 (more for Polish, I can't remember the last time I saw a Romanian or Hungarian and I haven't seen a Chinese T-53 IN 15 years) and Turkish Mausers seem to be hitting the $300 mark.
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Not saying they aren't going up, just that overall they haven't experienced the same rapid inflation most milsurps have experienced. Firearms in general have gone up with very few remaining at the $200 or less mark and those that have tend to be in very rough shape. So with that comparison in mind those milsurps haven't really risen in price much.

Who knows what will happen in 10 or 20 years maybe the prices could dive like the Civil War collector market did. Or maybe something like the 12.x classes could happen. Unfortunately I can't predict the future, however I guess we will have to wait and see.

As to Mosin Nagants being inaccurate, I blame that on three possible things. Poor shooters, poor ammo and poor bores. Overall the Mosin Nagants when given good quality ammo will be at least as accurate if not more than most milsurps of the era. I don't even shoot surplus anymore as it is boring when you know the poor result is the ammo not you.
 
Really have to distinguish between refurb range guns and true collectable Models 1891 or 91/30. For an all original, matching 91/30 I don't think you'd have much (any) trouble getting well above $500.00. Unfortunately there don't appear to be too many out there judging from the few that come up on the EE. As far as comparisons with other types- I have an all original '41 Izhevsk that compares very well, in fit and finish, with most other mass produced milsurps that I've owned.

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I have 5 Moisant Nagants.

1st purchased was a 1943 M39 SKY marked purchased in mid 80's for 85 bucks

2nd was mint (unfired?) M44 Polish at about same time as M39- 75 bucks

These were followed by 3 nice 91/30's- I hex, 2 round receivers- not mint but great shooters all purchased about 5 yrs ago for around 150 each.

Last was an unfired (I think) M44 Polish bought out of LGS about 3 yrs ago for $250. Sold it for 400 to son of a friend. Going price at time of sale for a carbine in that condition was 500.
 
FWIW, when you bought that SkY for $85, the Canadian Tire in Fredericton was selling nice No.4 rifles out of a display case for $79 per copy. I bought two.

If you want to see a rifle that went DOWN in price, look at Russian SKS rifles. Before the mass imports started around 5 or 6 years ago, Russian SKSs were selling un the $400+ range for beat up ex-egyptian refurbs.

Food for thought.

When the supply tdries up and everyone has slapped on duckbill mags, taps parts, etc. the collectible examples will be worth a lot more than now again (assuming the Libs don't ban them). It's a supply and demand thing.
 
PS: Someone just posted a run of the mill VKT M91 on the EE for $950!?!

If it sell, surely it will set a new record for an M91 in Canada. Should be less than half that, but who knows? Maybe some rich dude just can't help himself?
 
My first deer rifle was a MN

Dad purchased it for $36 from SIR in Winnipeg back in the late 80's

He was annoyed that one box of soft point ammo cost as much as the rifle.


Would like to get one again some day as a sort of nostalgia. Would prefer a good Finnish M39 (being of Finn heritage) but just don't have the spare funds at the moment.
 
Claven2 said:
If you want to see a rifle that went DOWN in price, look at Russian SKS rifles. Before the mass imports started around 5 or 6 years ago, Russian SKSs were selling un the $400+ range for beat up ex-egyptian refurbs.
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Ugh. Yeah I took bath on one of those after the recent import.
 
Yes there is another side to the gun value coin. My first SKS was bought in 1988. Chinese military in excellent condition. Price was almost 300 dollars not including taxes. They were not common and I just had to have one. Traded it off a few years later for a lot less value. Even worse deal is I had 3 Yugo 24/47's which were in excellent condition. Had about 150 bucks apiece in them. Somebody was running an SKS postal match and because I didn't have one I traded one of my Mauser's even for another Chinese SKS. I still have that SKS which might be worth 200 dollars. The really nice 24/47 would be worth considerably more.

Also traded off a nice 19" barrelled IBM M1 Carbine for about 250 dollars of trade value. Partly because magazines became prohibited and I couldn't get after market 5 rounders to feed properly.

We tend to talk more about our good deals than our bad ones!
 
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