Why Glocks and 1911's are the best

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Found this very interesting editorial that explains why many people, myself included, prefer the 1911 and Glock type pistol.

"Trigger reset is important. If you really want the best combat pistol you should choose a pistol with short reset. That means a 1911, a Glock, or one of the other striker-fired pistols so popular today. Ask yourself why all these guns are so popular. Really there are two reasons. Obviously weight is not one I am going to mention, because the 1911 at 40oz unloaded doesn't make it there. No, the two reasons are both trigger-related. Consistent trigger pull is one--every shot you fire from first to last is the same. And short trigger reset is the other. You pull the trigger, the gun fires, and there is just a very short distance in which you have to move your finger before you can move it to the rear again for another shot. All hammer-fired double actions fall short in both of these areas. The first shot always requires a long trigger pull followed by short pulls because the hammer stays cocked, and the reset is always long. So, coming back to our example of the SIG SAUER P250, no matter how nice this pistol is in other areas, it is never going to be the ultimate personal combat pistol, and if you're looking for something like that you shouldn't let gunzine writers and gun clerks convince you that it is--and the same applies for any of dozens of other makes and models." Outdoors.net

http://www.outdoors.net/site/featur...Firearms&ArticleCode=3814&V=False&SearchTerm=
 
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Yet another article written from opinion.

I guess short reset might be important if you shoot one of the speed games, but in the REAL WORLD of adrenalized personal "holy f*&K" handgun combat, I fail to see how a short reset is even going to be noticed.... MOST human beings, even with reasonable training, won't notice.

Gamers have the luxury of practicing with hundreds of thousands of rounds.

Most of us don't, even if paid to carry.

IMHO

Besides which, who ever said a Glock has a short reset? Ewwww!:evil:
 
nelly said:
Yet another article written from opinion.

I guess short reset might be important if you shoot one of the speed games, but in the REAL WORLD of adrenalized personal "holy f*&K" handgun combat, I fail to see how a short reset is even going to be noticed.... MOST human beings, even with reasonable training, won't notice.

Gamers have the luxury of practicing with hundreds of thousands of rounds.

Most of us don't, even if paid to carry.

IMHO

Besides which, who ever said a Glock has a short reset? Ewwww!:evil:
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The Reset on Glocks is very short, about 1/8 of an inch. I agree, the 1911 reset can be shorter but either system is more than acceptable in the reset dept.

During high stress situations you will fall back to the level of training you've MASTERED. Whether you game, or carry. Constant vigilant training is a necessity if you expect to have a reasonable chance of success. The stress of competition is not as intense as it would be in a defensive shoot. However, there is still a significant similarity between the two. That being said, those who compete aggressively look for any advantage they can find, such as short trigger resets and consistent trigger pulls from first shot to last. As mentioned in the OP, striker fired pistols and SA pistols fall into this category. I agree that 1911's should not be mentioned with Glocks as their reliability is far from equal to that of a Glock.

TDC
 
charles.emond said:
another TDC vs NAA thread ?;)
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Did you miss the part where I've said my go to would be a Glock in a SHTF scenario? :eek:

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NAA.
 
They are popular simply because police and army used it a lot. Same for AR-15, 30-06 bolt rifles and M14 and Garand.

That's all to it.

Why Lee-Enfield is the best rifle? It's not the best, but it is popular in Canada, while not too many people use it in US. Why? Canadian and UK Army.

Why AK style guns are popular hunting rifles and shotguns, let's say in Russia? They use them in the army.

Because of high use, people do get accustom to them. Because of high use, lots of people can give a good opinion of them (they are reliable, that's why army/police uses them).

Is 1911 a popular gun in Europe? NO. It is not. They would probably rate Browning HP as a better gun.

Glock as European handgun (armies even use them as a side arm) had an excellent strategy of pushing its gun to US police and now well known on both sides of the globe.

However, popularity and availability, doesn't make them the best guns. The same way as SKS is not the best rifle, even if it's reliable, effective, inexpensive rifle that is popular in Canada, US, Europe, etc.
 
Broker said:
All hammer-fired double actions fall short in both of these areas. The first shot always requires a long trigger pull followed by short pulls because the hammer stays cocked, and the reset is always long.
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The author doesn't know what he's talking about. I have a S&W 5906 (DA first pull, SA subsequent pulls) and the trigger reset is shorter than any Glock I've fired (and I own 7 Glocks) and rivals the reset of any 1911 I've shot ( and I own a dozen 1911/2011 type pistols).

The down-side to the 5906 is the derth of quality aftermarket sights.
 
gushulak said:
Glocks should not be mentioned in the same sentence as a 1911.

I agree that the 1911 is a classic design, but shooting for 20 years have shown me one thing. Lots of guys with 1911 spend more time trying to get their guns to work than they do shooting.
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I strongly agree with both statements.
Glocks are delicious apples and 1911s are delicious oranges.

I also noticed what you did, but do you know why this happens? Some very prominent special forces units with Delta Force on top of the list don't have any problems with their 1911 side guns. For sure they would have if they fine-tuned them in the privacy of their kitchens, basements and garages prior to going to Panama or Somalia.

Glock is the best and the most reliable pistol out of the box and the 1911 is not. But fitted with quality parts and properly tuned the 1911 is the best semi auto gun ever designed. Those guys from Delta Force could choose anything in existence on the Earth and they chose the 1911 in .45ACP. It is not because of "buy American".

If you buy Colt, Kimber ,Para...... name it for $1500 you will have to pay another 500 bucks to get it 100% reliable whether in combat or in action game. Not very many people want to pay this much for a gun and even less are willing to pay for tune-up. They know everything about the 1911 and of course will do it themselfs. As a rule the results are kind of pitiful. I have a path beaten to my door by those who bought Norincos which don't work. Very often they request or even demand to fix and make their prides reliable while they wait and they have only 5 bucks left after the purchase.
The problem is that very few the 1911 buyers realize it. They like them because they are famous and ###y. But they don't know about the fine print.

:cheers: Kazimier
 
TDC said:
During high stress situations you will fall back to the level of training you've MASTERED. Whether you game, or carry. Constant vigilant training is a necessity if you expect to have a reasonable chance of success. The stress of competition is not as intense as it would be in a defensive shoot. However, there is still a significant similarity between the two.

TDC
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True. And with my organization, which pays for 100 rounds once per year... Chances of any employee NOTICING the difference in the colour of one pistol versus another, let alone a difference in trigger reset... I'm sure you see my point.

:cheers:
 
nelly said:
True. And with my organization, which pays for 100 rounds once per year... Chances of any employee NOTICING the difference in the colour of one pistol versus another, let alone a difference in trigger reset... I'm sure you see my point.

:cheers:
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So you're saying an employer who fails to provide adequate training and/or equipment is an excuse not to train? For LEO's the one and only piece of equipment that will ensure you go home everyday, is your pistol. Nothing else. Its your life, if you want to use your employer as an excuse feel free.



TDC
 
Just got my first glock today, taking the mag plates off sucks big time and the take down is annoying compared to a Sig. I have also found the trigger on a glock less comfortable for lot's of shooting than other guns. I got the G26 mainly based on size. Carry a lot, shoot a bit.
 
Colin said:
Just got my first glock today, taking the mag plates off sucks big time and the take down is annoying compared to a Sig. I have also found the trigger on a glock less comfortable for lot's of shooting than other guns. I got the G26 mainly based on size. Carry a lot, shoot a bit.
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Mag plate removal is not a regular activity but it is a challenge. The take down is easy to manipulate and is not an action that requires great speed. Uncomfortable trigger? How so???

TDC
 
gushulak said:
I agree that the 1911 is a classic design, but shooting for 20 years have shown me one thing. Lots of guys with 1911 spend more time trying to get their guns to work than they do shooting.
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You're shootin' with the wrong guys...
 
TDC said:
So you're saying an employer who fails to provide adequate training and/or equipment is an excuse not to train? For LEO's the one and only piece of equipment that will ensure you go home everyday, is your pistol. Nothing else. Its your life, if you want to use your employer as an excuse feel free.



TDC
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No, don't go putting words in my mouth.

I am saying that many of the "professional" gun-toters that I work with would not notice a difference in reset.

I am not saying the same about myself, nor the colleagues I volunteer to help practice, as they realize that the organization we work for has... sub-optimal training available. I spend my own time and money to try to make up the official shortfall.

That said, I still find Glock triggers mushy.
 
nelly said:
No, don't go putting words in my mouth.

I am saying that many of the "professional" gun-toters that I work with would not notice a difference in reset.

I am not saying the same about myself, nor the colleagues I volunteer to help practice, as they realize that the organization we work for has... sub-optimal training available. I spend my own time and money to try to make up the official shortfall.

That said, I still find Glock triggers mushy.
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Good on you for taking your skills and your job seriously. As for Glock triggers, the only mush is in the take up which should be done on the first shot only. Many who complain of mush(I'm not saying you) clearly don't know how to work the reset.

TDC
 
how could you compare 1911 with Glk....it's a shame to get even there?
there are here a lot of guys who buys Glk only because "some smart guy" said it's a good gun... and NOT because it's just a CHEAP plastics !
why don't you compare 2 x plastics: HK with Glk (or XD)?
 
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