No doubt you're right, but OTOH, you don't know how stubborn I can be once I start committing something like that! And I shoot regular handguns just fine, so, seriously, if I just ignore the small pistol thing and don't overthink it, it'll go away. Maybe not after tens of thousands of rounds, but at least a couple of thousand.
Why i'm shooting down-left?
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No doubt you're right, but OTOH, you don't know how stubborn I can be once I start committing something like that! And I shoot regular handguns just fine, so, seriously, if I just ignore the small pistol thing and don't overthink it, it'll go away. Maybe not after tens of thousands of rounds, but at least a couple of thousand.
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Chances are your groups that you're pulling down and left are more like a handful of thrown gravel than a tight group. That's because of two things. One is that you're anticipating the recoil and subconciously trying to hold the gun down. But you can't anticipate the recoil with a good enough degree of consistency so the gun jumps down before you pull the trigger by varying amounts and your groups open out.... WAY out. Second is that you may be snatching at the trigger. Do what Tiraq said. But add to that a commitment to pull the trigger fully to the rear and not just to the point where it goes "BANG!". It's called "follow through" and it plays a big part in holding the gun steady on target while the bullet leaves the gun
In the end your job is to hold the sight picture and progressively build up pressure smoothly on the trigger. Build it up until the trigger is felt to be fully on the rear travel limit. Somewhere in there the gun will go BANG! and kick. When the recoil is done your trigger should still be held fully back. Only then ease up to let it push your finger forward. The pressure build and movement (notice I have not said to "pull" the trigger?) of the trigger to the rear should occur first off over about 1/4 to 1/2 second and be a nice smooth motion. Later on when you have the feel for this firmly planted you can speed up. Folks like Jerry Miculek look like they are rapidly snatching at the trigger. But in reality they are smoothly building up pressure and pulling through fully. They just do it very fast. There IS a difference between what they do and snapping or snatching at the trigger in some reactive spasm. And it's that "spasm" of movement that leads to one cause of jerking the gun down and to the left.
In the end your job is to hold the sight picture and progressively build up pressure smoothly on the trigger. Build it up until the trigger is felt to be fully on the rear travel limit. Somewhere in there the gun will go BANG! and kick. When the recoil is done your trigger should still be held fully back. Only then ease up to let it push your finger forward. The pressure build and movement (notice I have not said to "pull" the trigger?) of the trigger to the rear should occur first off over about 1/4 to 1/2 second and be a nice smooth motion. Later on when you have the feel for this firmly planted you can speed up. Folks like Jerry Miculek look like they are rapidly snatching at the trigger. But in reality they are smoothly building up pressure and pulling through fully. They just do it very fast. There IS a difference between what they do and snapping or snatching at the trigger in some reactive spasm. And it's that "spasm" of movement that leads to one cause of jerking the gun down and to the left.
nah, i'm shooting a beretta 92g, a beretta 71 and a Gsg 1911
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gotcha...
didn't know the issue was over multiple guns. I have the m&p (first purchase) and it's consistently low n left (had me too guessing my abilities), but my sigs are on the money every time.
If you are shooting decent groups (4" at 20 yards) then adjust your rear sight to the right, and file a tad off the front sight.
If your group is big, then you need some practice and good coaching. You won't learn to shoot well without good coaching.
Self taught shooters tend to get good at shooting poorly. Same for golfers and skiers.
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my tacops/45 is lock'ncock, I've never felt comfortable dropping the trigger primed
but the legion in 9 (sa/da) is pretty sweet in double-action. yes, long and heavy, but incredibly smooth. after 1000 rounds you get used to the 1-2 adjustments Put an empty case on your front sight and dry fire - repeat until it stays put. Alternately - and this is a good test of mental stamina too, stand 4 feet from a plain white wall. Dry fire the gun while concentrating on the front sight, do it until the front sight doesn't move, paying attention to the trigger as you slowly pull/press/move it back. Focus on the front sight and feel every millimetre of the trigger travel.
I'm gradually curing myself of this affliction by concentrating on a smooth and continuous increase in pressure until the gun pops. I liken it to squeezing a zit, you wouldn't jab at a zit would you? Just apply increasing pressure until it pops.
The short answer is that you are continuing to pull the trigger even though the sights have moved away from the intended point-of-impact. If the sights move away from the target, discontinue the trigger pull. Re-align the sights, then continue the trigger pull.
Dry-fire with your eyes closed, if the gun moves while the trigger is being pulled, then work on achieving a proper pull. At the range, continue holding the trigger to the rear until recoil subsides.
A poor fit can cause issues for sure. But down and to the left is almost always a flinching issue. IME a poor fitting handgrip size results in two things. First is a generally larger than usual size group but one which is still on target. And second is that if the gun has a fair bit of recoil kick then my main "strong" hand gets sore from being slapped by the gun when it recoils.
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Great video. Thanks for posting it. BTW I noticed Shogun Rua in your AV. My favorite fighter of all time.
Ya its too bad Shogun peaked b4 he hit the UFC, and his knee injuries ended his ability train hard. His wars with Hendo were some of the best fights in recent years. That video is excellent and Jarrett sure can shoot.
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Imagining pulling the front sight through the rear sight with the trigger helped me. You think of everything in a straight line like a steel rod connecting everything and keeping everything stable.
Exactly this...
