DaveMachine
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Why is the ammo situation in Canada so horble??????
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.Ammunition is not the only controlled goods moved across our borders. All kinds of drugs, chemicals etc are moved every day. The only time, if ever, we have shortages of all these other regulated goods are when there are shortages on the other side of the border. Otherwise, pretty much all other businesses in the US are quite content to do paperwork and jump through hoops for that 10%ish of the market.
Shooting supplies have not been regulated into non-existence either. NRCAN has an approved list of ammo and components for sale in Canada. Now that there appears to be a surplus down south, why are we scrounging for those approved goods up here?
In my many trips down south I often compare prices and for the most part the reloading components are upwards of 40% to almost 50% higher in Canada than the US. In some cases I have even seen 60% for the exact same items. These figures are after the state tax and exchange (minor now) I am not sure the regulation makes that much difference as many people have already stated there are a plethora of regulated products at almost the same cost on both sides.
Here are three cases where the product is not regulated and available on both sides of the border and can be purchased by even a 12 year old.
250' of 10-2 Building wire ~ Home Depot CDN$ 225 / Lowes US$123
Bug Zapper ~ Canadian Tire CDN$85 / Lowes US$45
Rockstar Pop ~ Walmart $10 / Meijer $6.5
In all the cases the retailers are very large, have buying power and also customs and import departments. The only difference is one is charging 75%-100% more. Why?? They can, this is the only difference. It is not the 10% population scam or anything else, it is about profit.
Should we expect the local gun store owner to do anything less? Doubtful......especially when they want all the expensive toys like nice trucks, ATV's etc. etc. When the flow of traffic in their store for a week is what Walmart my get in an hour I do not think so.
One side note not to plug Henry Nierychlo, but he has probably the lowest prices I have seen on some components. His service is top notch too.
Here are three cases where the product is not regulated and available on both sides of the border and can be purchased by even a 12 year old.
250' of 10-2 Building wire ~ Home Depot CDN$ 225 / Lowes US$123
Bug Zapper ~ Canadian Tire CDN$85 / Lowes US$45
Rockstar Pop ~ Walmart $10 / Meijer $6.5
In all the cases the retailers are very large, have buying power and also customs and import departments. The only difference is one is charging 75%-100% more. Why?? They can, this is the only difference. It is not the 10% population scam or anything else, it is about profit.
Should we expect the local gun store owner to do anything less? Doubtful......especially when they want all the expensive toys like nice trucks, ATV's etc. etc. When the flow of traffic in their store for a week is what Walmart my get in an hour I do not think so.
One side note not to plug Henry Nierychlo, but he has probably the lowest prices I have seen on some components. His service is top notch too.
I just got back from the US and was in Cabela's in Grand Forks. They had Russian 9mm going for $8.99/box of 50. It was a name I've never seen or heard from, but at that price who cares??
Too bad I couldn't buy up a bunch and bring it back up north, but again, that is why I'm getting into reloading anyways..........
Too bad I couldn't buy up a bunch and bring it back up north, but again, that is why I'm getting into reloading anyways..........
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We don't have primers but we have a decent selection of powder and cases.
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Ammunition is not the only controlled goods moved across our borders. All kinds of drugs, chemicals etc are moved every day. The only time, if ever, we have shortages of all these other regulated goods are when there are shortages on the other side of the border. Otherwise, pretty much all other businesses in the US are quite content to do paperwork and jump through hoops for that 10%ish of the market.
Shooting supplies have not been regulated into non-existence either. NRCAN has an approved list of ammo and components for sale in Canada. Now that there appears to be a surplus down south, why are we scrounging for those approved goods up here?
Surplus 7.62x39 tracer.
Wolf ammunition.
Powder and bullet seems fairly easy to get but primers have been the latest chokepoint. I know the major importers are working on solutions and hope to see a much large selection in the near future. Hopefully they will be able to establish more non-US sources.
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Ammunition is not the only controlled goods moved across our borders. All kinds of drugs, chemicals etc are moved every day. The only time, if ever, we have shortages of all these other regulated goods are when there are shortages on the other side of the border. Otherwise, pretty much all other businesses in the US are quite content to do paperwork and jump through hoops for that 10%ish of the market.
Shooting supplies have not been regulated into non-existence either. NRCAN has an approved list of ammo and components for sale in Canada. Now that there appears to be a surplus down south, why are we scrounging for those approved goods up here?
What then? Are you suggesting that Canadian importers are just lazy or incompetent? I can assure you that all the distributors I deal with have tried and tried to order ammo, and Canada does in fact get short shipped regularly. US production is primarily destined for US consumers.
LongBomber
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on each page of this thread is an ad for theammosource.com
They stock Wolf re-manufactured ammo in the most common pistol calibres at as little as half of factory prices. It comes, it goes, but more regularly than the shipments of US ammo into Canada.
Better yet, buy in bulk from wolfbullets.com direct, for 5k rounds or more. 38 special for less than 12 bucks a box, .357 for 17 bucks a box.
They stock Wolf re-manufactured ammo in the most common pistol calibres at as little as half of factory prices. It comes, it goes, but more regularly than the shipments of US ammo into Canada.
Better yet, buy in bulk from wolfbullets.com direct, for 5k rounds or more. 38 special for less than 12 bucks a box, .357 for 17 bucks a box.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Nrcan
As has been alluded to, Natural Resources has a mandate to keep Canadians safe from themselves. (Why are fireworks so much harder to get here than in the US?) Health Canada does the same for drugs, medical devices etc and there is a big bill circulating that would elevate the standards for all sorts of new categories of goods. NRCAN has to approve every type of explosive that comes into the country. To keep the process fair, they approve lists of accepted products. If the manufacturer changes the name or formula, it has to go back for testing. So, small makers and odd-ball product lines just don't get near the shelves in Canada.
As has been alluded to, Natural Resources has a mandate to keep Canadians safe from themselves. (Why are fireworks so much harder to get here than in the US?) Health Canada does the same for drugs, medical devices etc and there is a big bill circulating that would elevate the standards for all sorts of new categories of goods. NRCAN has to approve every type of explosive that comes into the country. To keep the process fair, they approve lists of accepted products. If the manufacturer changes the name or formula, it has to go back for testing. So, small makers and odd-ball product lines just don't get near the shelves in Canada.
gushulak
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You know, I'm finally gonna call BS on these types of statements. Sorry you had to be the lucky recipient.
We (Canada) have roughly 10% of the population of North America. There is not a manufacturer or supplier anywhere that would turn their nose up at what is conceivably 10% of their business. It might even be a higher percentage now that the American market is saturated, plus there might be a good profit to be made selling here as we Canadians like to pay more for almost any goods.
Funny how a demand for almost any other type of goods in Canada is met with an adequate supply, while ammo seems to make it's way across at just the right volume to keep us hungry. Must be some quirk in the global economy..........
We make up 10% of the population of NA but we don't have nearly the shooters the States has. We may be a country with 30million people, but remember that a state like Texas sells more gun stuff in a month than all of Canada combined in a year.
Canada is and always will be small potatoes when it comes to guns and ammo. We are blip on the US retail market.
You know, I'm finally gonna call BS on these types of statements. Sorry you had to be the lucky recipient.
We (Canada) have roughly 10% of the population of North America. There is not a manufacturer or supplier anywhere that would turn their nose up at what is conceivably 10% of their business. It might even be a higher percentage now that the American market is saturated, plus there might be a good profit to be made selling here as we Canadians like to pay more for almost any goods.
Funny how a demand for almost any other type of goods in Canada is met with an adequate supply, while ammo seems to make it's way across at just the right volume to keep us hungry. Must be some quirk in the global economy..........
I agree.
This has been a bit of sore spot with me too.
Canada is about the same population as California, and you see manufacturers making all sorts of CA legal guns (goofy looking stocks, etc.)
I think we are too quick to give up, and and say "It sucks to be me"
Yeah, well, it doesn't suck to be me.
Interesting comment from Colin about his SHOT show visit this year.
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Well then, if there is a glut in the south, just what is the problem with getting supplies in Canada? Somebody has dropped the ball along the way when there are people with ca$h in hand and no approved goods to be found. And maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time believing its someone in a product-flush, but otherwise hungry, down-trodden economy such as the US. So the list of likely suspects is actually quite small, don't you think?
I agree.
This has been a bit of sore spot with me too.
Canada is about the same population as California, and you see manufacturers making all sorts of CA legal guns (goofy looking stocks, etc.)
I think we are too quick to give up, and and say "It sucks to be me"
Yeah, well, it doesn't suck to be me.
Interesting comment from Colin about his SHOT show visit this year.
I think that many (not all) of those manufactures are in California or neighboring states. I mean, things like Bullet Buttons, Kydex Grips for "featureless guns" (AKA: the silly looking stocks
), etc... Most of that is made locally. Now, of course you have gun manufactures like Smith & Wesson, Walther, Robinson Armament, etc... Who are making complete guns are starting to do special California models.
I do think that things are looking up for California, and hopefully that will translate over for you guys as well. There is a market, someone just needs to take advantage of it.
