Why is the M1 Carbine such a POS ???

[Matt L.]

Thanks for the info. One more question, does the 15 rnd. mag have to be pinned?

 

[#1bcshooter]

Thanks for the info. One question, does the 15 rnd. mag have to be pinned?

Yes !

 

[Pietro Beretta]

All great points. I was just thinking...If in combat, an M1 Garand would be a blessing back in 1939...and if I were in "carbine" range I'd rather empty out a 30-shot stick of .45 ACP ball.

Held an M1 Carbine once...they look & feel alright, action is similar to M1/M14 (I think) and a 15/30 round detachable mag is a huge selling point. It's just that in battle field conditions a .30-06 Springfield would be unmatched, and close up...fully-auto .45 power.

Hopefully in the future, I'll get to take one for a test-drive

P.S. I didn't judge my opinion on the M1 Carbine though video games as suggest by a newbie (WTF), no respectable gun owner would ever contemplate that...silly rabbit.

 

[chopper 1]

Bottom Line

The carbine was a superior replacement for a pistol.

 

[t-star]

All great points. I was just thinking...If in combat, an M1 Garand would be a blessing back in 1939...and if I were in "carbine" range I'd rather empty out a 30-shot stick of .45 ACP ball.

Held an M1 Carbine once...they look & feel alright, action is similar to M1/M14 (I think) and a 15/30 round detachable mag is a huge selling point. It's just that in battle field conditions a .30-06 Springfield would be unmatched, and close up...fully-auto .45 power.

Hopefully in the future, I'll get to take one for a test-drive

P.S. I didn't judge my opinion on the M1 Carbine though video games as suggest by a newbie (WTF), no respectable gun owner would ever contemplate that...silly rabbit.

you're missing something- the thompson weighs about 12 pounds - the carbine is appreciably lighter- like 5 or 6 -or at least the one i was offered was- longer barreled version with a stick mag- an UNRESTRICTED one for 825( thompson) - vertical forgrip
now if you want to talk about really handy, there was a version of the carbine called the 'ENFORCER" pistol, which was cut fore and aft and DEFINATELY fell into the spray and pray dept-
i also remember somethng about a rear lug that connected to the stock being able to move, and that was the reason for the poorer accuracy-

 

[diemaco]

Not sure why lots of people are comparing the carbine with the pistol. Maybe the carbine was designed to replace the pistol in certain situations, but its an apples vs oranges type of thing (I pick oranges btw). They serve completely different purposes. I think a better comparison is carbine/SMG carbine, in which case I'd go with the carbine.

 

[Coyote Ugly]

For any Doubters....Just ask the 240 Dead Krauts who ate lead from Audie Murphys M1 Carbine.

 

[thunderflash]

Yes , "It is what it was"------

Pietro,

Why are you trying to "second guess" WWII history.....it has come and gone...and that is what it was!

David

And they were Great Firearms !!!-----------------------
Collection? --very nice! Btw -Very Beautiful 1942 Colt 1911A1--Congrats!!--"drm3m"

 

[B]

I would be devestated if I was issued an M1 Carbine in WW2. It seems like such a inadequite weapon. M1 Garand, with a Thompson M1 slung over my back, and a Colt M1911-A1 sidearm...now we're talking.

Any M1 Carbine lovers out there?..please explain the appeal/use/importance.

The only placeI ever saw that was in video games. If you really share that opinion put down your AR and develop a 40's mindset.

 

[22lr]

30 Carbine cartridge beat 7.62x25 in PPSH and 9mm in Shmeisser by huge margin. And those shmeissers and PPSh's were primary assault weapons between German's and Russkie's, not Mauzers or Mossins. M1 CArbine in later modifications (M2 developed in 1944) was fitted with folding stock, select fire and 30-round magazine and in such configuration it beats any other assault rifle - it is shorter, lighter, more powerful and of course more accurate.

Also, to appreciate something one would have to fire it at the range at least once.

 

[22lr]

another interesting find - have alook at this thread below, it appears FN SCAR gas system is based on M2 Carbine design. Second picture in that thread shows gas system

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=377764&highlight=scar

 

[contact148]

M2's were made in 1945 Ive had several and all were 1945 dated.....

I doubt any saw service against the germans and few if any against the japanese

korea and vietnam were the m2's time

 

[sf]

And back in the Rock & Roll 60's, many USPDs had M2 & other FA GI surplus firearms like Thompson & Grease Gun in their armories.

 

[B]

I always though an M2 with Para stock and 30 round mag would be the cat's ass. If the had made the cartridge a little more powerful they could have had a weapon they might still be using today.

 

[bluey]

I always though an M2 with Para stock and 30 round mag would be the cat's ass. If the had made the cartridge a little more powerful they could have had a weapon they might still be using today.

I can't comment on the use of the M2 or Sten in WW2, but in the jungles of NAM both were FAR better then either the M14 or M16. The only weapon that I found beat out these two was the pump shotgun.

The ammo for both the M2 and the sten is light, therefore you can carry MORE of it then either the M14 or M16. Both are easy to maintain and clean, plus when fired does not scream out USA.

 

[B]

I am not sure .30 Carbine weighs less than 5.56. I'd weigh them but I took apart all the mil-spec .30 I had. Still, neat cartridge and wicked firearm IMO. The closest I ever cam was an M1 with neutered mag....

 

[drm3m]

Thunderflash,

Thanks for your comment regarding the 1942 Colt manufactured M1911A1 pistol. It is a nice piece and I consider myself lucky to own it.
(Delivered from Colt to Springfield Armory June 25th 1942.)

The Thompson 1928A1 (Jan/Feb 1942) and the Inland M1A1 carbine (12/42) are also 1942 manufactured.
The carbine remains in its original unaltered 1942 configuration which I am pleased with.

Inspectors stamp W.B. (Waldemar Broberg Col. US Army)
” VP” in a triangle (Colt “Verified Proof” factory inspection mark)

Before I bought this M1A1 carbine I sent the photos to Bruce Canfield.....he wrote the books --
so I figured he should know....based on his comments...I bought it.

“P” proof code in a circle on the rear of the stock above the pistol grip by the recoil plate.

On the underside of the pistol grip there is a stamped faint Ordnance ”crossed cannons” escutcheon with what looks like an “O” as in “IO” for Overton /Inland.

Thompson Model 1928A1 markings.
Ordnance Department’s ‘Flaming Bomb’ acceptance stamp, “RLB” (Col. Roy L. Bowlin was the A.I.O. Ordnance inspector, once the inspectors stamp was stamped on a gun, it became government property),“GEG” in a circle ( GEG is for George E. Goll, the AO civilian inspector and former driver for General John T. Thompson)

Pouches and other militaria..."some of which may be relevant" to the pieces shown above.

David

 

[sunray]

drm3m, please reduce the size of your pictures.

 

[B]

drm3m, Is your Thompson a genuine 12(1)? or dewatt?

 

[drm3m]

B,

The Thompson 1928A1 is a #### and click dewat in superb condition.
I am licensed to own converted autos....but this is not one of them.

David

Nor is this MG42. #### and click ...in beautiful "well marked" condition.

These are CAs.

I suspect that there are probably not many CA Lanchester smgs in Canada.