Why is this happening? Is this normal for a mauser action?

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Ok. So I have a parker hale that is sitting in a knox recoil reducing stock.
If the safety is on and you close the bolt it pushes the safety forward just a bit. Then if you pull the trigger while the safety is still on it moves the safety forward a bit more. The kicker and scary thing is that if you then push the safety to off it WILL fire. So not cool. But it does not do this if the safety is off and you close the bolt.
How can i fix this because I assume this is not normal.
 
A headscratcher from way over here, but the first thing I'd check is that the stock has plenty of clearance around the trigger group.
Try the action out of the stock to see if it's a mechanical issue, or stock related.
 
Assuming it is a stock new to the rifle...

Something in the new stock is contacting where it shouldn't be. If you can't sort it out, definitely take it to a gunsmith to get cured! Not worth the risks to save a few bucks!
 
crout said:
Ok. So I have a parker hale that is sitting in a knox recoil reducing stock.
If the safety is on and you close the bolt it pushes the safety forward just a bit. Then if you pull the trigger while the safety is still on it moves the safety forward a bit more. The kicker and scary thing is that if you then push the safety to off it WILL fire. So not cool. But it does not do this if the safety is off and you close the bolt.
How can i fix this because I assume this is not normal.
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No, the condition is neither normal nor safe. Certainly the stock would seem to be the culprit. What you might consider is the purchase a M-70 style safety that is located on the cocking piece of the rifle, but has a low profile so as not to interfere with the scope. IMHO, a safety the blocks the striker is superior to one that blocks the trigger. Is it cheap? No. Does it require a gunsmith to install? Yes. Does it need to be blued or Gun/CerraKoted? Yes. And if you buy it from Brownells, and if they ship it (it might be ITAR restricted) and if it isn't hung up at the border, they'll put it in a box big enough for a 70" flat screen TV. Okay, not really . . . the box will be wider!
 
It isn't correct and you should have it checked out by a competent gunsmith. I don't think you should attempt a repair yourself.
 
I'd suspect the Parker hale safety.

I had one on a Sporter swede that did the same, I replaced it with an original swedish military safety I found at a Gunshow.

But yes I'd suggest you take your rifle to a gunsmith as there could be other issues.
 
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I have put Buehler style safeties on a couple of Mausers they are only two position, Tradeex sells a 3 position model 70 style, I did not like the fit of the Tradeex one although others do, I found the Buehler fit nice after some light grinding on the cooking piece.
 
You should be able to determine if the problem is in the stock fitment, or in the safety mechanism. Remove the stock and try to duplicate your problem, if the problem no longer exists and the safety functions properly, then the problem is in the stock fitment and you may be able to fix it youself.. If the problem is still there, I would take it to a gunsmith
 
I believe that safety is designed to hold the bolt locked down as in close the action and put the safety on and you won't be able to open the bolt. By putting the safety on before closing the bolt you are pushing the safety half way off by closing the bolt. I've seen this on a couple of amusers.
Neil
 
vviking said:
A headscratcher from way over here, but the first thing I'd check is that the stock has plenty of clearance around the trigger group.
Try the action out of the stock to see if it's a mechanical issue, or stock related.
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I Did that and it will still push the safety forward and fire. So I'm thinking the trigger has been over adjusted and the bolt is pushing forward on the trigger sear which for some reason is moving the safety forward.
 
crout said:
I Did that and it will still push the safety forward and fire. So I'm thinking the trigger has been over adjusted and the bolt is pushing forward on the trigger sear which for some reason is moving the safety forward.
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Something is seriously out of whack internally in your trigger group. But you knew that!.
Unless you are a very gun savvy fellow, or, you replace the entire trigger ass'y. ... if it were me .. I'd take the good advice given ^ ... take it to a qualified expert gunsmith.

We don't get second chances in this sport.
 
So the part I circled in red is what is causing the problem. The trigger looks like the original. What is the purpose of this piece?. I know if I file it down it will fix my problem but it must be part of the trigger assembly for a reason. Although I can't see any use for it.
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That piece must lock the bolt closed when the safety is on?
I've looked at aftermarket triggers and that piece is missing.
So I'm guessing this must be a common thing with the Parker hale trigger.
 
Do you have a replacement bolt? It should have a knotch matching the en of the bolt lock.

Never ever got problems with P-H triggers...
 
crout said:
That piece must lock the bolt closed when the safety is on?
I've looked at aftermarket triggers and that piece is missing.
So I'm guessing this must be a common thing with the Parker hale trigger.
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Yes, it is there to lock the bolt closed when the safety is on. An important feature in my opinion.

As Baribal mentioned, perhaps you have the incorrect bolt in the rifle? I've never had an issue with the P-H triggers either so I'm curious as to what you find is the issue.
 
I have a Santa Barbara M1000 in 7x57 which is built on a commercial Mauser 98 action. I tried putting the safety on, and then closing the bolt like you did and my safety did move a little but the gun does not fire. You should not that if you pull the trigger while the safety is on the safety will move forward a bit. That being said, I could not replicated the part where the firing pin was released.

Also, the safety should lock the bolt closed or at least you should feel a lot of resistance if you try to open the bolt with the safety engaged. You will also note the safety moves forward if you force the bolt open while the safety is engaged.

As an aside, the safety cannot be engaged unless the firearm is cocked.
 
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jbmauser said:
As Baribal mentioned, perhaps you have the incorrect bolt in the rifle? I've never had an issue with the P-H triggers either so I'm curious as to what you find is the issue.
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I have no idea if I have the correct bolt.
The good news is that I fixed the problem by grinding down that bolt catch. It still functions as normal and written I close the bolt it just moved the safety forward a hair.

But now i have another question. For those of you who have a parker Hale trigger can you #### your bolt, put your safety in the half way position (I know this isn't normal but the safety may get bumped when you're in the field and end up in this position, maybe) ok now pull the trigger and then move the safety all the way to the fire position.
What happens?
 
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