why M14 instead on AR15 version in .308

"...just buy both..." Having weapons chambered in multiple cartridges creates a logistics nightmare.
"...need Military Approval..." Government approval. The military says what they want, then the politicians tell them what they going to get. The M14 was adopted back in the mid 50's due to a political decision. The FAL beat it in every test the U.S. military did, except accuracy. The M14 was adopted because it was invented in the U.S. It then went on to have the shortest general service life of any U.S. military firearm. The M16 was also adopted due to a political decision. After both were adopted, the cartridge each rifle uses was jammed down NATO's throat by the U.S.
The original AR10 didn't perform well in any tests. Mind you, it was select fire and very light.
 
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Thats your problem you dont have your mag in the gun lol
 
Fenix.NZ said:
deh ? .. m14 and 7.62 chambered AR's both use the same rounds?
i think im missing the point you're trying to make kwonny
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i am sorry i was not really clear about my idea.i had to run and i didnt get to finish.if you are in mil you know this answer, what cost the most in mil? training !
this is why they are moving toward to ar system also m14 system was some what specialized equipment for most of its service life(m21 and special op), not standard equipment. if you want to run a DMR rifle system that not been in standard service for 30 years, trust me its not easy. you need alot of support equipments to run the rifle system that you dont have enough stuffs to do.finally, they did not have enough rifles to start with, most of the m14 were cut to f### in around 1990 by President bill clinton (i thought he was god awful president but i was worng),some were given to other friendly nations and left over were stock stockpiled in special op armory.(special op go through alot of guns).anyhow here is my 2 cents and guys easy ! you just cant jump on slight chance of making fun of other people's mistake. thats all :sniper::runaway:
 
Of course you were wrong, Klinton wasn't a god-awful president, he was a complete and total DISASTER. A legend in his own mind, and the ##### he married made life a living hell for the Secret Service and the white house staff. I was waiting for a Motel 6 sign on the Lincoln bedroom.
 
why because the governement purchacing rules suck, takes way longer to get someting new approved then spending money to make an improvement on something you allready have.

Sort of like trying to convince the wife you need a new truck when you could just fix the old one up a bit......

But in the long run you still need a new truck :D
 
Fenix.NZ said:
i wasnt making fun, Kwonny, as i said i missed the point you were trying to make
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i am sorry i was little pixxy today. i am working on multi IFR and i am going nutz. well i wish i am 18 years old,getting old does not help learning new stuff but when i was 18 i wounder why the fuxx make C6 stopage and loading exercise so hard to understand. anyhow i dont know they still have same issue but when different brench of services fighting each other for budget. newer equipment procurement program is better for everyone, faster and promotion for many full bird to a star. that helps alot !
 
M-14 are relics from bygone days.

5.56mm is good for close in - but for cement walls and vehicles - the 7.62mm NATO round is much better. The M1-4 where dragged out since they where there. The services (NAVY, USMC, and Army) have all since trailed and adopted a SR-25 varient -- the issue is everyone wants them, and KAC is running balls to the wall to make them. In a year or two the M14 will be a bad dream...
 
Kevin,

I've spoken with USMC and US Army DMR's who loved their M-14 rifles...Doesn't mean I am hearing everything. Are there reasons it is looked down upon?
 
Joel,

99.99% of those have ZERO experience with the M110 or Mk11Mod0,1,2 guns.
The M14 was a stopgap measure - to provide a 7.62mm DMR gun in the hands of a soldier NOW. Now a M14 with a Leupold variable 2-8 is a lot better than a M4 or M16A2 with an Aimpoint for DM work...
However keep in mind - the armorers and the shooters have not been trained in the M14. Guys issued them are limited with mags (they are issued 1 with the gun - some units have bought more civy side), and tech support.
Also a great deal are romancing the 7.62x51 cartridge. I see more M14's with iron sights (WTF over) than optics.

A M14 shooter has a different silouhette - and different muscle memory.


The biggest issue with the DMR guys right now -- is very few have a shcmick of what they are doing and how to use their gear.
 
Kevin B,

Thanks for the answer. Makes sense actually. Very good point about the mags and them not being made available. I've worked with more than one website attempting to supply those.

The guys I have spoken to were given good training for their 14s but this is only one Marine trained in FAST before deployment and one soldier in the 101. What you might call a very small sample set. I can definately understand what you mean for a lot of guys just getting slotted to that spot and issued a rifle.
 
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the proper training rifle for the 14 was the garand, and the way it works was something like this- you were issued the 14 in boot, and when you got in-country you got the 16 or a vairant thereof- or a bloop tube- but that was 30 plus years ago, and now the 16 is issued direct from boot- and that's your gun for life- now when you add the old 14 back into the mix you have to un-learn the stuff you did for the 16- it would only make sense to issue a weapon that shares the same profile, but who said this has to make sense?
fyi, i still love the old 14 in spite of it being old and heavy-
perhaps that was the reason that the galil was isssued in both 223 and 308- you don't have to re-learn anything in that case
 
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