why no carbide rifle dies?

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So as I understand it, carbide dies are available in pistol calibers and no case lube is required when they are used. Seems to me there should be rifle versions similar since the lube and cleaning off the case afterward is a PITA and would be something I would pay extra to avoid. Is there a logical reason no such thing seems to exist?? :confused::confused::confused:
 
Can't remember the exact reason but something to do with the difference between straight wall case vs. bottleneck case.
 
bcsteve said:
Can't remember the exact reason but something to do with the difference between straight wall case vs. bottleneck case.
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Thats the big reason, however Dillon does make a few carbide dies for bottleneck cases. In a straightwall pistol case, it's just a carbide ring, the bottleneck dies require an entire carbide interior from my understanding.. For the record Dillon says that carbide rifle dies still require lube, they just are much more scratch resistant for high volume reloaders.
 
Scar270 said:
For the record Dillon says that carbide rifle dies still require lube, they just are much more scratch resistant for high volume reloaders.
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Well that's a shame! There must be an easier/better way. I'm sick of cleaning freshly sized brass or loaded rounds so I guess I'll have to invest in a tumbler so I don't have to clean the lube off each round individually! That or suggestions???.............
 
boltonscouter said:
Well that's a shame! There must be an easier/better way. I'm sick of cleaning freshly sized brass or loaded rounds so I guess I'll have to invest in a tumbler so I don't have to clean the lube off each round individually! That or suggestions???.............
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When loading .223 Rem in Dillon Carbide dies, thier spray lube applied sparcely works well, and can be tumbled off after processing.
 
boltonscouter said:
Well that's a shame! There must be an easier/better way. I'm sick of cleaning freshly sized brass or loaded rounds so I guess I'll have to invest in a tumbler so I don't have to clean the lube off each round individually! That or suggestions???.............
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it seems you want to tumble loaded rounds to get the lube off i'll make this clear never tumble live/loaded ammo not that its going to go off in the tumbler its the tumbler will brake down the powder into smaller grains size making a rifle powder into a pistol powder not good dont do it
 
camerl2009 said:
it seems you want to tumble loaded rounds to get the lube off i'll make this clear never tumble live/loaded ammo not that its going to go off in the tumbler its the tumbler will brake down the powder into smaller grains size making a rifle powder into a pistol powder not good dont do it
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Would you care to back that up with one shred of evidence?

I tumble loaded ammo regularly, and any where I can find that anyone has done any amount of research they have never found any trouble with it.

I can't say definitively that it will never cause an issue, but anything I've found that was backed up by emperical evidence says it's not. Don't forget you don't need to tumble for hours, the brass should already be clean, removing the lube is a 5 - 10 minute job.
 
camerl2009 said:
it seems you want to tumble loaded rounds to get the lube off i'll make this clear never tumble live/loaded ammo not that its going to go off in the tumbler its the tumbler will brake down the powder into smaller grains size making a rifle powder into a pistol powder not good dont do it
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camerl2009 said:
it seems you want to tumble loaded rounds to get the lube off i'll make this clear never tumble live/loaded ammo not that its going to go off in the tumbler its the tumbler will brake down the powder into smaller grains size making a rifle powder into a pistol powder not good dont do it
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Wrong, nice try though.
 
Just neck size with a neck sizing die, no lube required, no clean-up, every now and again FL resize with a full length resize die. That's why I prefer the Redding deluxe die set as it includes both FL and neck sizing dies.
 
"...why no carbide rifle dies?..." Cost of machining carbide. Brittle stuff, so it is.
"...making a rifle powder into a pistol powder..." Nonsense.
 
ben hunchak said:
It won't make rifle powder into pistol powder but it will make stick powder into Ball powder.
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Is this something you have tried? I'd like to know which powder you used if so. Myself and many other CGNers have tumbled all sort of live rounds for varying periods of time only to find the powder the same as new...
 
As stated, carbide rifle dies exist, but they still need lube, albeit less, so they are not as great as you'd think.

How many hundreds of hours, do you figure my crate of 7.62x39, spent bouncing around, or being shipped, or handled. Now figure how much effect that'll have on the powder, none, so why would a little bit of time vibrating in crushed walnut, have any effect?
 
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