Why people hate wolves.

Amelio said:
This is the exact reason so many people hate hunters . I am starting to see why they have such negative opinion.
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Yes, we all see exactly what you're seeing.

An opinion formed based on your reading of an author who was a pathologic liar, a blowhard, and wouldn't have survived for more than 48hours outside.

You're reasoning is sound, very very sound. Should get you far.

Ask yourself how many people hated hunters 100 years ago - you know, before the Cargill slaughterhouses put beef into beef steakettes in the frozen food section for you, or perhaps in your case, before the tofu factory put the "super-soy" at your local OrganicMart.

GGG

ps - FYI wise-@ss, I'm not much of a hunter. I'm a shooter. Don't hate me just because I have a brain and the ability to reason.
 
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/www.thecragandcanyon.ca/2015/08/27/elk-population-on-ya-ha-tinda-remains-in-low-numbers. This is a pretty good, condensed article explaining what goes on with a high predator population, sure Grizzly Adams is familiar with the situation. It isn't about hating wolves, its about trying to maintain a happy medium. Wolves are extremely efficient predators and if not controlled their numbers just won't decrease until the prey is decimated, and as hunters we don't want to wait around and just hope for some sort of recovery.
 
Mr. Goat........Thanks for the compliment...I do have some knowledge on the topic, BUT far from knowing it all. But Big Bad (post following yours) somewhat explains it. Helps keep the body heat in.
 
Lots of egomaniac's out there that need to prove themselves against the so called alpha hunters of the animal world,
 
prairie lover said:
this is why people hate wolves. they kill at every opportunity. they absolutely don't kill the lame and weak nor do they balance nature. when they have territorial disputes they compete with the neighboring pack and drive out the weaker pack by killing all available game so only the stronger pack survives.
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Come again???
 
FGR said:
/www.thecragandcanyon.ca/2015/08/27/elk-population-on-ya-ha-tinda-remains-in-low-numbers. This is a pretty good, condensed article explaining what goes on with a high predator population, sure Grizzly Adams is familiar with the situation. It isn't about hating wolves, its about trying to maintain a happy medium. Wolves are extremely efficient predators and if not controlled their numbers just won't decrease until the prey is decimated, and as hunters we don't want to wait around and just hope for some sort of recovery.
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Well, wolves and their herbivorous meals evolved together and coexisted in a natural equilibrium that ebbed back and forth, with boom and bust for both sides, for quite a while until we came along. And, I think you have hit the nail on the head in that people view wolves as competition for declining game species which are in decline due to shrinking available suitable habitats. We as a species are greedy and want the deer, moose and other ungulates for ourselves; and right now. And so, we do not wish to wait for the natural equilibrium to reinstate itself; rather, we seek to eliminate the competition, believing that doing so will maximize our own opportunities. At least you spelled out the truth.

Are wolves opportunistic predators? Of course they are. Every predator is an opportunist. So were our ancestors. Why would a predator risk injury or death if an easy meal presents itself? This is why wolves were/are particularly vulnerable to poisoning and easily extirpated across large parts of North America. I don't think anybody objects to legal hunting, or the removal of particular problem animals. But, anyone who thinks removing apex predators from an ecosystem is a good way to restore "balance" or equilibrium or sustainability or whatever you want to call it, is only fooling themselves.
 
If natural equilibrium means zero human participation then that can't really be seen as a realistic option, or in my opinion desirabe. Predators should never be eliminated from the equation but as long as we are part of it there is nothing wrong with controlling their numbers. It seems to be a perception that people are divided between "kill them all" or "you must not interfere" when in reality we by and large are somewhere in between.
 
FGR said:
If natural equilibrium means zero human participation then that can't really be seen as a realistic option, or in my opinion desirabe. Predators should never be eliminated from the equation but as long as we are part of it there is nothing wrong with controlling their numbers. It seems to be a perception that people are divided between "kill them all" or "you must not interfere" when in reality we by and large are somewhere in between.
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Yes, that is correct. Zero human interaction is just not possible. I fall into the middle category you allude to, as I am generally opposed to any "kill them all" rationale; except in the case of ecosystem destroying invasive/alien species, but am also supportive of sound wildlife management processes/programs that benefit our natural ecosystems.
 
Chuckbuster said:
Yes, that is correct. Zero human interaction is just not possible. I fall into the middle category you allude to, as I am generally opposed to any "kill them all" rationale; except in the case of ecosystem destroying invasive/alien species, but am also supportive of sound wildlife management processes/programs that benefit our natural ecosystems.
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For me it's raccoons and those big ugly Norwegian rat I shoot every one I see
but there introduce one on purpose and the other by accident Evan the beaver and muskrat is introduced and causing problems
But the raccoons and rats have been devastating On the birds on Haida Gwaii and the Poor short tailed weasels are going extinct with no Real hope of survival in the long run
 
I don't h-a-t-e wolves, per se, but I do shoot them every chance I get.

Out here in the geographical centre of BC, wolves have been very hard on local ungulate populations... not to mention livestock.

I've personally seen hundreds of wolves over the years, and can assure the uninformed that wolves are far from endangered.
 
Amelio said:
By killing inferior animals wolves increase the health of there prey
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Good lord! :rolleyes: You have a lifetime of bush experience living in wolf country I see :confused:



Grizzly Adams said:
Sounds good, if you say it real quick. :) How does killing elk and caribou calves improve the species? :confused:

Grizz
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Doesn't it sound good though?! Wow, I can hear my Grandfather's words like it was yesterday. "I've yet to see a wolf running around with a stethoscope and thermometer! What a crock of horse####!"
 
As seen on quite a few science-based nature shows in the past several years, and I mean the respectable ones based on actual observation, when wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone NP, they of course started to cull the bison and elk etc. That in turn led to a return of the larger types of vegetation the overpopulation of large herbivores had kept down, and that in turn encouraged rain water retention and the establishment of a watershed, greatly increasing the size and volume of the Yellowstone streams and rivers and a return of animals like beaver, which in turn led to the creation of beaver ponds and the attendant trees and wildlife that had also become scarce before. Apparently the whole region has water now whereas before it was a virtual desert. Everything good that came out of the wolf reintroduction just shows that wolves are a part of a balance ecosystem that started evolving when life appeared on land and has been ticking along ever since. If you want a good natural environment, wolves are a part of it. Ranchers will not agree, but accommodations can be arranged, like paying them for livestock that the wolves have killed because the wolves don't know the rules.
 
trebor2880 said:
We're conditioned from birth to be afraid of wolfs, hence we hate them. Remember "Little Red Riding Hood" and "The Three Little Pigs"
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I don't hate them, anymore than I hate psychopaths, however I am aware that they are potentially very dangerous and like every other predator, will prey on whoever they can, whenever they can and want to.

carverk said:
Hunting and trapping wolfs is being a environmentalist
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I'm inclined to agree with you. We can control their population or we can let ol' Mother Nature put them all through boom and bust population cycles, with all the suffering that entails for all the animals concerned. We have the brains and the technology, the only thing we sometimes lack is the common sense.
 
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Big Bad said:
As seen on quite a few science-based nature shows in the past several years, and I mean the respectable ones based on actual observation, when wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone NP, they of course started to cull the bison and elk etc. That in turn led to a return of the larger types of vegetation the overpopulation of large herbivores had kept down, and that in turn encouraged rain water retention and the establishment of a watershed, greatly increasing the size and volume of the Yellowstone streams and rivers and a return of animals like beaver, which in turn led to the creation of beaver ponds and the attendant trees and wildlife that had also become scarce before. Apparently the whole region has water now whereas before it was a virtual desert. Everything good that came out of the wolf reintroduction just shows that wolves are a part of a balance ecosystem that started evolving when life appeared on land and has been ticking along ever since. If you want a good natural environment, wolves are a part of it. Ranchers will not agree, but accommodations can be arranged, like paying them for livestock that the wolves have killed because the wolves don't know the rules.
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so you believe everything you see on a liberal peta type tv show? why don't you drive to Yellowstone and see just how many elk you can find in places where 20 years ago they were everywhere. rain cycles change. beavers were always there GUARENTEED. elk populations are down substantially everywhere where the wolf has spread to. wolves have been shot in self defense, good thing they can carry for self defense.

they wolf was introduced in the Yellowstone park and allowed to spread contrary to original goals, not allowed to be managed till it was too late, and if you do even a little of research you will find it was introduced to keep game numbers in check so they DONT NEED HUNTING ANYMORE AND CAN SHUT IT DOWN!!!
 
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