Why people hate wolves.
- Thread starter Amelio
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- Jameson, SK
If you must know, a bunch of Indians, followed by a bunch of white people, killed them. That's what happened to them.
You're calling us thick headed???
What's with your strange wolf obsession?? Are you just arguing for fun, or are you one of those with a full collection of decorative plates from the shopping network, and small ceramic wolf trinkets throughout your moms basement?
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bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Actually, the indians only started killing a lot after they received guns from white people. They didn't have the means beforehand. There's some recent evidence that a disease of some sort may have contributed, but that's not definitive.
prairie lover
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The bison in yellow stone actually stand up fairly well to the wolves. Much better than the elk did.
Mass bison kills by pre Colombian hunters are well documented in the literature. This one, the Olsen-Chubbuck site in Colorado circa 6500 BC had 200 bison killed in minutes.
http://soren.faculty.arizona.edu/si.../files/Wheat 1967 paleo-indian bison kill.pdf
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- Jameson, SK
How about the technique of running hundreds, if not thousands, of them off a cliff??
As per the standard line, and the truth, no matter who gave them guns, they didn't have to use them to excess.....
bearkilr
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Gents, I'm aware that the phrase "indians used every part of a bison and only killed what they needed" is a myth. Fact is that with their primitive weapons and methods, they couldn't have exterminated them to the point of near extinction.
The greatest wolf culling, poisoning program in north America occurred in BC in the 1950s. Hundreds of tons of frozen meat, laced with poison, was dropped on frozen lakes in the winter, over very much of central and northern BC, in an attempt to lower the very high wolf population, that was devastating the game animals and ranchers cattle. A game biologist was in charge of the whole thing and he had field men in most localities in the province.
A great deal was learned from that episode, but it seems the majority of people would rather get their information from the Farley Mowat types, while other people make up their own versions of how they think it should be.
I played a role in the program, as well as having a very close association with the game department members involved in it. Thus, I was well aware of every thing that went on and what was learned from it. The program started, in a modest way, in 1951 and ran until 1960, with the last couple of years more of a specialized and clean up affair.
Late in the program the biologist in charge of it called all the field men to a convention in Prince George and every field man told what he had learned and figured out, during the program. I was shared all that went on at that convention, partly because the field man for Prince George, the headquarters of the program, was a very good friend of mine and the two of us together shared a great many trips to an awful lot of wilderness country.
During the course of the poisoning campaign the biologist in charge gave all the field men bags to bring back parts of hollow bones found at kill sights. I have had my friend, the local field man, on flights when I helped him sift through the crushed bones at a kill site, collecting splinters of hollow bones for the marrow on them. When it was over the biologist sent the marrow scraped from the bone fragments to a lab, where they could tell the condition the moose was in when it was killed by the wolves. The lab tests showed that the vast majority of the moose had been in good condition when the wolves killed them!
Under most conditions the wolves can kill any moose they choose to. One of their clever tricks in the winter time is if they come on a moose in the bush near a lake, they herd it onto the frozen lake and once it gets on the lake the moose seldom got more than a hundred feet, or even less. That was why we saw so many wolf kills on a lake close to shore.
Every body and his brother thinks wolves kill moose by ham stringing, cutting off the big cord at the back of the rear leg, then when the moose can't get away, they eat him up. The field men stated that sometimes they ham strung a moose, but if they did, it was just by accident, since they grab at the rear of the moose as it runs from them. I have personally helped to chase the wolves away from two different, freshly killed moose, neither of which was ham strung and each of the two were a very healthy moose, until the wolves came along.
A great deal was learned from that episode, but it seems the majority of people would rather get their information from the Farley Mowat types, while other people make up their own versions of how they think it should be.
I played a role in the program, as well as having a very close association with the game department members involved in it. Thus, I was well aware of every thing that went on and what was learned from it. The program started, in a modest way, in 1951 and ran until 1960, with the last couple of years more of a specialized and clean up affair.
Late in the program the biologist in charge of it called all the field men to a convention in Prince George and every field man told what he had learned and figured out, during the program. I was shared all that went on at that convention, partly because the field man for Prince George, the headquarters of the program, was a very good friend of mine and the two of us together shared a great many trips to an awful lot of wilderness country.
During the course of the poisoning campaign the biologist in charge gave all the field men bags to bring back parts of hollow bones found at kill sights. I have had my friend, the local field man, on flights when I helped him sift through the crushed bones at a kill site, collecting splinters of hollow bones for the marrow on them. When it was over the biologist sent the marrow scraped from the bone fragments to a lab, where they could tell the condition the moose was in when it was killed by the wolves. The lab tests showed that the vast majority of the moose had been in good condition when the wolves killed them!
Under most conditions the wolves can kill any moose they choose to. One of their clever tricks in the winter time is if they come on a moose in the bush near a lake, they herd it onto the frozen lake and once it gets on the lake the moose seldom got more than a hundred feet, or even less. That was why we saw so many wolf kills on a lake close to shore.
Every body and his brother thinks wolves kill moose by ham stringing, cutting off the big cord at the back of the rear leg, then when the moose can't get away, they eat him up. The field men stated that sometimes they ham strung a moose, but if they did, it was just by accident, since they grab at the rear of the moose as it runs from them. I have personally helped to chase the wolves away from two different, freshly killed moose, neither of which was ham strung and each of the two were a very healthy moose, until the wolves came along.
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I don't hate wolves, but what I do hate is when people believe the "facts" they find on facebook pages like Raincoast Conservation, Wildlife Defense League, or Pacific Wild. These folks make a living of off feeding the ill-informed, emotional, urban dwelling, save the cute and fuzzy things population. Sure, there are areas of North America that have little or no populations of wolves, but not where I live. Why is that so hard to understand?
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- Jameson, SK
I'm pretty sure that around here ol' whitey helped to finish them off.....
The truth of the matter is the giant buffalo herds were wiped out to gain control of the Prairie and to help put native tribes onto reserves and make treaties
http://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP10CH2PA2LE.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...-slaughtered-buffalo-plains-indian-wars-30798
The video link below pretty much sums it up
https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/v...=1442589098&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-hrtab-715&tt=b
http://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP10CH2PA2LE.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...-slaughtered-buffalo-plains-indian-wars-30798
The video link below pretty much sums it up
https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/v...=1442589098&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-hrtab-715&tt=b
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Good articles.....just brutal the way it was and still is.
Holy overreaction Batman! No I clearly don't believe everything I see on such shows, but I do live in an area that has a huge overpopulation of deer and it used to be a lot worse too. When you take top predators out of a system, herbivores will overpopulate and destroy more vegetation than is good and the system will start to collapse. What is now saving the forests here is the encouragement of deer hunting in areas outside the city where it wasn't permitted for a while, and meantime the local population of wolf-coyote hybrids grows ever larger too. But I've seen it in many places, put too many horses in a paddock and you soon have a desert, put too many grazing animals of any kind in an area and the same thing starts to happen. Yellowstone was found to be seriously overpopulated by elk and similar animals, that's why there are fewer now. You do have to give nature some credit you know.
blasted_saber
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- A blue part of Ontario
Hunters hate wolves because they feel the wolves are killing "their" deer/moose/caribou/elk/whatever.
Nature takes care of itself. Its arrogant to think we need to protect it from itself.
Nature takes care of itself. Its arrogant to think we need to protect it from itself.
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- Lower Mainland
Wolves have started targeting humans now...
Nature took care if itself fine. Then the industrial revolution happened. We have greatly impacted both the wolves and the ungulates, and its well past the point we can turn our backs and let nature sort it out unless we are willing to put up with the consequences.
Besides, we'd have to cease hunting all together if we wanna really let nature do its thing.
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- Jameson, SK
Just click "ignore" RR. Some can't be helped.
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- Jameson, SK
They absolutely have. It's exceedingly rare, but its happened at least twice in northern SK.
