why so heavy ?

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it actually doesn't help but you may not have wasted all that time cos someone may find it helpful . maybe the person who initially made the comparison (I just did a quick reply) but I really don't know cos I don't know that person , when ever I talk to a person online I give him/her the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows the difference between gas operated and blow back but hey! thats just me .

FAL stands for Fusil Automatique Legere: LIGHT Automatic Rifle. It is just about as lightweight as a rifle can be built for a full-power cartridge and work for a reasonable time without beating itself to pieces. Even then, it is NOT truly Automatic but SEMIautomatic, what the British call "SELF-LOADING".

In its original 7.92x33 cartridge, it was capable of automatic fire. When converted for test to the British 7x45 EM-2 cartridge, it was barely within limits of controllability for automatic fire. The Americans just HAD to have their 7.62x51. Converted yet again to the 7x49 Second Optimum round, the rifle was uncontrollable in automatic fire. When it appeared as a 7.62x51, more than 95% of rifles were built WITHOUT automatic-fire capability.

Yes, there WAS a full-auto variant. We called it the C2, the Aussies (who used it in combat in Viet Nam) called it the "Bang-bang-jam". It had a bipod, heavy barrel, weighed about 14 pounds, was prone to jamming and parts failure. It was too delicate for parachute operations, sometimes 20% of rifles being inoperative after hitting the ground. It was BARELY controllable and not accurate. The Americans had similar problems with their M-14/15 program, the little-known M-15 being the selective-fire, heavy-barreled version of the normal M-14, itself supposedly a selective-fire rifle which was locked onto semi-auto fire.

The M-31, on the other hand, has none of these problems. Guns today are more than 80 years old and, if they haven't been dicked with, are as reliable as rocks.

Also, consider that your FAL has a bolt which weighs about a quarter-pound. When the rifle fires, the bolt is LOCKED in place and the entire rifle takes up the recoil. The bullet passes down the barrel, some gas is bled off and operates the mechanism to reload the rifle. With the old M-31, there is a 2-pound bolt balanced on the end of a spring. The weight of the bolt keeps it closed until pressure drops to a point at which it is safe to open the breech. Simple? Yes. But it adds weight..... and reduces complication, machining, tiddy little parts that break. You get a different KIND of recoil but the weight of the gun helps to fight it.

No point going any farther. It's comparing apples to fish or something.

Get a couple of good books on firearms design and read them. For a start, I would recommend HATCHER'S NOTEBOOK, followed by George M. Chinn's 6-volume series THE MACHINE GUN. Digest that and you will have no questions..... ever. You can download all 7 over at milsurps dot com, absolutely free.

Hope this helps.
 
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yeah, that could knock off a pound and a half but I prefer to cut down a restricted barrel if one is available and reregister it.

I just weighed my non-rest M31 and it weighed in at 12.4 lbs empty.

Has anyone lopped off the barrel and re-registered to restricted?...

that would shed a pound or so of weight and make the gun 'look' right...
 
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We've been seeing Smellie here less and less lately. Could it be he's not feeling good? (I think that's very much so possible) or is it that he's getting pretty sick of trying to pass his knowledge on to a bunch of people who obviously could give a rats ass about his effort. The man has helped myself and many other new shooters gain a ton of knowledge in a very short period of time, and when he's not 100% sure on something he says so in his post. If he is sure his posts reflect it.

When someone we don't know from a hole in the ground comes on here and says something to that affect about one of his posts I'm quite sure it makes him not want to post. You should have asked him what the connection in its development was and I'm sure he would have written half a documentary for us on the how's and why's of its history. I for one would have loved to have read his knowledge on this particular firearm's development.

Comes down to it, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all! Didn't you ever watch Bambi as a child? Hopefully you will ask the right question next time and contribute to the conversation, or at least keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself if you don't have a productive contribution. Yes we are a bit elitist around here, and Smellie is one of our elite. We here owe him thanks and respect for his contributions to this board.

Anyone attacks one of our other favorites I'll gladly stick up for them too.
 
Smellie does get discouraged, he spends much more time researching lately.

People like the drag and others who are not interested in the milsurp all they want is something to put in their EE advertisement that will allow them to get more money.

DON"T READ THIS SMELLIE!
Smellie is one of those remarkable people who loves this pastime and likes to help people. I do not want to inflate his ego but I hate how discouraged he has gotten of late. He gives the majority of his time now to those who Message him. This is unfortunate as we all would like to hear what he has to say- remarkable gems of knowledge will come to light during one of his knowledgeable write ups.

Those who criticize him never seem to have anything to contribute.
You must realize that I am biased, however.
janice
 
Some of the worst in my opinion are those who insist that history has no place in this hobby- like the one LEO who came here to hassle smellie. History has everything to do with this hobby. And smellie researches history in a professional manner- not letting propaganda and misdirection mislead him. The powers what be don't like that.
janice
 
Jan, do remember to widen the gap between the floor and the sock closet as coffee mugs are a bit bigger then pizza and spaghetti...

speaking as one who enjoys conversations with both smellie and twosteam on pretty well any topic they are two of the most interesting people I have met and very knowledgeable on everything from blackpowder to cordite in the realm of firearms. As well as both have their own interests outside of firearms and both probably could write dozens of books on varying topics.

Now to the OP play nice, read the comments, and respect the people that comment. You would be wise to read more then you type. Also you are talking about a very early submachine gun it is going to be made of wood and metal which weighs more the the modern plastic SMGs.

If you continue to insult people there will be tar, feathers and pitchforks flying around.
 
well, it sure didn't take long to go off track .

its unbelievable how some people haven't a clue who they are talking to , someone with less than 200 posts and less than 2.5 years here , tries lecture me .

now, where have I disrespected people or insulted anyone ? oh, don't bother cos you wont find it . im gonna have this thread locked .

Now to the OP play nice, read the comments, and respect the people that comment. You would be wise to read more then you type. Also you are talking about a very early submachine gun it is going to be made of wood and metal which weighs more the the modern plastic SMGs.

If you continue to insult people there will be tar, feathers and pitchforks flying around.
 
well, it sure didn't take long to go off track .

its unbelievable how some people haven't a clue who they are talking to , someone with less than 200 posts and less than 2.5 years here , tries lecture me .

now, where have I disrespected people or insulted anyone ? oh, don't bother cos you wont find it . im gonna have this thread locked .

I'm betting a nickel post#29 was referring to post#23, and not the OP (you). We can't afford to p!ss off all the knowledgeable folks here.
 
you need to reread post #29 .

he said OP which means me and he answered my question , the person who posted #23 never asked a question .

so where is my nickel ? lol.

I'm betting a nickel post#29 was referring to post#23, and not the OP (you). We can't afford to p!ss off all the knowledgeable folks here.
 
Camster you win a nickel.
Perhaps a wee bit 'o' editing might be in order, or you can send it directly to Currton.
you need to reread post #29 .

he said OP which means me and he answered my question , the person who posted #23 never asked a question .

so where is my nickel ? lol.

uh oh...this is why momma said to stay out of the casinos!
 
Curtton, I did answer the question that you asked I was also talking about post # 23 which insults a friend of mine and so I wrote the comment without rereading and should have listen to my own advice.
 
thanks for the clarification , lets move on .

im glad you're using the "reply with quote " , lol.

Curtton, I did answer the question that you asked I was also talking about post # 23 which insults a friend of mine and so I wrote the comment without rereading and should have listen to my own advice.
 
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