Why so many M14s on the EE?

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I love my Norc!
Traded a H&R M14 for it cause I found out that my converted auto was illegal...
Stock cost me $80.00, had scope mount from my old M14 and the Barska 3-9by40 was half price, $50.00!
Muzzle break $112.00 after shipping.
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I'm curious what kind of accuracy they are getting with the bone stock gun and that bargain ammo. I'm guessing 4"-6" groups at 100. You really handicap those guns with low grade ammo, and not many want to spend the money or time to feed decent ammo through it. I was shooting mine last week at 600 yards and it was surprisingly consistent with 168gr smk's.
 
t-star said:
they're no more expensive than any other 308- if you want to play with the so-called big boys, you've got to be prepared to pay the price- for a REAL education, move up to a 338 ; any 338 but the fed;
as to parts being hard to find, i can understand why; we've had "parts people"- people that ACTUALLY MAKE parts here and the community hasn't supported them- they go stateside to save a buck or 2- rooster 33 used to make a great deal, but he's not around anymore- some of his items were actually improvements to the system
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I love my m14. Started reloading for it so I could shoot more, pay less.

I refuse to order from the states for parts (for ANY rifle, if we can't support our Canadian business, mfgs, dealers, we might as well give up our rifles), which makes things hard to find. I'd rather pay a little more for something that puts money into the pockets of fellow Canadians.

if people are unwilling to learn by doing and tuning - sell em, these are not the rifle for you.

as for me - I love being able to work on my own rifle (or anything for that matter), and see results downrange.

there's getting to be the "pay someone else to do it for me" mentality, and I personally hate it.

Sure, you might not do it as well (or right) off the bat, but you can learn, (right Hungry?)
 
TrevorF said:
If guys are buying them for the ammo deal what types of guns are they shooting the ammo in? The way I see it so far is you buy one for $500 and can spend double that top make it decent. I've played that game twice already with a norc 780 and a Kel-Tec SU-16. Not doing it again. What other $1500 black .308 ptions are there?
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If you spent any money trying to make this a decent gun, you just arn't reading enough about what you're buying. That's an interesting decision to first purchase and then spend money "upgrading" a Norc 780, and then further the topper, to tell the community about it.

Sorry for the post, I was stunned by this admission and felt I needed to mention it because it's such a different idea on personal firearms selection and upgrading potential.

Just like with the m305, there's a lot of ideas on what makes a great gun. We as individuals have such a broad spectrum of opinions when it comes to what suits us personally. Neat.
 
na1lb0hm said:
I love my m14. Started reloading for it so I could shoot more, pay less.

I refuse to order from the states for parts (for ANY rifle, if we can't support our Canadian business, mfgs, dealers, we might as well give up our rifles), which makes things hard to find. I'd rather pay a little more for something that puts money into the pockets of fellow Canadians.

if people are unwilling to learn by doing and tuning - sell em, these are not the rifle for you.

as for me - I love being able to work on my own rifle (or anything for that matter), and see results downrange.

there's getting to be the "pay someone else to do it for me" mentality, and I personally hate it.

Sure, you might not do it as well (or right) off the bat, but you can learn, (right Hungry?)
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Your bang on mate...too many pple miss out on the fun side of guns, which is tinkering around. Many of us have the old militry background and pulling the bugger apart is second nature. I cant understand how pple can use anything, be it a gun or a car or a chainsaw, without wanting to know how it works. As guns are potentially lethal if not maintained Im left stunned at some of the threads that pop up now and then.
I had my pig stripped and rebuilt at least a dozen times before I took it to the range..........Its not rocket surgery, (couldnt resist) its common sense.
Maybe its a good thing that there are so many for sale.....Their loss is our gain cos the shorties will be dirt cheap for X-mas.
It dont take more than 5 minutes to strip and clean the thing, of course we stretch it into the whole evening, touching and polishing and talking to it...but thats cos were responsible gun owners :)
I actually know a guy who gets his gun cleaned at the shop !!!!!! And I showed him how to do it himself !!
 
I bought a shorty with the combo deal awhile back,..I replaced the stock with a Boyd's walnut stock and replaced a few other parts. I spent less than 200 on up grades and I ended up with a rifle that looks great ...feels great and shoots great...one of the best deals I ever made. and inre: ammo being expensive, it is definitely not out of line as to cost with any of the other large calibers.....I've got well over 40 different rifles in many different calibers and this is one rifle I'm keeping... just my 2 cents...
 
Have had a few owners say they have never seen an M1A shoot like that.
The next question is usually:

"what kind of stock is that?"
it's a JAE
"how much is it?"
1500 +/-

Gasp and long pause.........

"what ammo are you using?"
Lapua handloads

long pause......

Then they loose interest.
Usually how it goes.
 
tbaybmkr said:
With MFS ammo here is what I got before I started reloading for it.


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That is at 100yds I presume. Just shows they arent that bad at all and they will DO what they were designed to do....HIT A MAN SIZED TARGET AT 3/400 YDS.Too many pple bought the wrong gun if they want to hit cherries at 3 miles.
 
I just laugh when people complain about any rifle being too expensive to feed. Shooting isn't cheap with the only exceptions to that statement being the SKS and any 22LR. If you're so hard up that you can barely afford to shoot the SKS or a 22LR without breaking the bank, then you have priorities that need revisiting because the hard truth is that you cannot afford to be a gun nut. Sorry, life sucks and it isn't fair but it's not going to change the facts.
 
BigUglyMan said:
I just laugh when people complain about any rifle being too expensive to feed. Shooting isn't cheap with the only exceptions to that statement being the SKS and any 22LR. If you're so hard up that you can barely afford to shoot the SKS or a 22LR without breaking the bank, then you have priorities that need revisiting because the hard truth is that you cannot afford to be a gun nut. Sorry, life sucks and it isn't fair but it's not going to change the facts.
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OUCH!!! So mean! :cheers:
 
The absolute best part of owning one of these Norks is the people you meet up with working on them. I've been to the first 4 of the west coast M14 meeting and met a ton of people.

Also, some my get discouraged after getting one and finding out they do not have the tooling to do what needs to be done or the space needed. Some I guess just dont want to do the work but that's not me :D
 
TACTICAL111 said:
"what ammo are you using?"
Lapua handloads
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Lapua makes factory ammo. You make handloads. Using the Lapua name to describe your handloads only serves to make you look like you're trying to show off. Seeing as handloads are generally cheaper than factory I doubt that this is the real turning point for any M14 shooter. Chassis systems and aftermarket stocks are too pricey for most shooters.

I'd love to see a side by side comparison between the JAE, Sage, Bedded Glass Stock and a standard stock usign the same barrelled action. I think it would be interesting.
 
I think a lot of M14's show up on the EE because of the issue encountered . I don't just mean tunning. How many people have found out they bought a dud m14, that even after $200 in tunning it still punches a 6-8 inch group with wingers flying left right and clear over the target? Or in my case is unsafe to fire after it blows a cartraige apart in your face? That the only way to fix it is to pump $1000 into it for a new barrel, bolt, and gas system? Parts that are on long order from Canadian dealers, and that states side companies refuse to ship because they can't be bothered with the paperwork?
I love M14's but I won't buy another norinco; why roll the dice $450 at a time hoping for a gun that can actualy shoot a 2 moa group without breaking the bank and taking 6-8 months to get the parts for? I'm going to save up and buy an LRB next time, at leaste you know what your getting and if you have problems your not left out in the cold.
 
There's some guys who point out that a Norinco receiver, which is true to GI spec, is worth the cost alone. After replacing the weaker parts with upgrades, they have a rifle with extra parts left over.

The Americans pay a lot more for Norinco/Polytechs.
 
Yes - they frequently have one or more defects that may or may not be able to be corrected in a cost effective manner. I have two that might end up on the chopping block next month...
 
300Spartans said:
There's some guys who point out that a Norinco receiver, which is true to GI spec, is worth the cost alone. After replacing the weaker parts with upgrades, they have a rifle with extra parts left over.

The Americans pay a lot more for Norinco/Polytechs.
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if I had the know-how and the set-up to do re-barrels, I would have no problem paying $450 for the base rifle and + $ for a new barrel.

Stoooopid prices for norcs/polys down there.
 
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