Why such a cult following for Colt Canada / Diemaco ?

Ar180shooter said:
Lol you can skip the lesson on CC's relationship to Colt and the rookie stuff like not all cops are gun people.

You didn't really answer the questions, and you contradict yourself several times in the same paragraph. The GBP is higher than the USD as well, so that would be no reason not to go with an American made weapon. Additionally you point out that gov is less concerned with cost, so which is it? You point out that Diemaco/CC is a well known and reputable company, so how would they have developed this positive reputation if their rifles were overpriced? Many of the foreign governments that adopted Colt Canada rifles face no more barriers importing them from Canada than they would from the U.S.

If other AR's are just as good but cheaper, why would anyone overseas adopt CC rifles? The answer is either they're not as good, the company doesn't have the production capacity to meet contract requirements, or the company is happy producing Gucci AR's for the civvy market. All of that is fine, but it's dishonest to represent the CC as overpriced when you're not comparing comparable products designed for the same purpose.
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With the GBP being worth a lot more in Canada than the USA then it would only make sense to buy a CC rifle. I absolutely agree that the CHF barrels from CC are superior to those from Colt USA. That is not to say that I would feel like I was issued a POS if the rifle was made by Colt USA. CC makes great rifles but they are not worth the nearly $1000 more they cost over comparable USA made rifles(I'm referring to the stock CC rifles). The MRR is excellent but is still several hundred dollars over priced. As it stands today CC is still part of Colt USA so it really makes no difference who a nation buys their rifles from as the money goes to the same pot. Apparently another reason for CC contracts has been mentioned by Rebel Rouser about a company never going into bankruptcy, something I didn't know about but it tells the story.

Rebel Rouser said:
One of the contract stipulation dealing with MOD is that a company biding on a contract can't have gone bankrupt. Which disqualifies Colt USA from bidding on a contract. That's one of the reason Colt Canada has the contract.
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Slavex said:
People are whining about what I want to spend my money on? Do you go to strip clubs and piss on people's shoes for hiring the more expensive strippers for a lap dance too?
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I don't think anyone is trying to tell people what to buy. It's just that the CC cult following is based more on blind faith and national pride(still an American company) than on proof of a superior product on an appreciable level. This was proven when the early CC owners complained about being ripped off when the prices suddenly dropped a few hundred dollars. If the rifle was so amazing there shouldn't be any complaints about the price they paid..
 
Mister Donut said:
It's kind of sad that gun owners have to justify to other gun owners what they buy and why.
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Like I tell people. I'm just a collector. If I'm looking for a piece for my collection, I'm more than willing to pay what ever it is to get it. I'm more than elated that Colt Canada is selling to the civilian market. If you do like the price, don't buy it. It's that simple. I don't understand the hate. Especially the hate for anything Made in Canada. Vote with your wallet, not your mouth.
 
Rebel Rouser said:
Like I tell people. I'm just a collector. If I'm looking for a piece for my collection, I'm more than willing to pay what ever it is to get it. I'm more than elated that Colt Canada is selling to the civilian market. If you do like the price, don't buy it. It's that simple. I don't understand the hate. Especially the hate for anything Made in Canada. Vote with your wallet, not your mouth.
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If I could afford it, I would probably own at least one or two examples of every firearm ever produced, have my own gun library.
 
Mister Donut said:
It's kind of sad that gun owners have to justify to other gun owners what they buy and why.
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Too true...I often have people at the range bragging to me how much cheaper their guns are, that I'm a "sucker" for paying $$$ for PGW, KAC, CC...when their Savage, Remington, SKS(all very good guns)...does the same job for less...
I'm not even going to explain why I think CC are better(heck I used to be a CC hater), how about I made my money and I just want to spend on whatever I like? if I wanted a Porsche, I really don't care the corvette is cheaper or the Nissan GTR is faster...it's not a Porsche
 
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My "C8IUR Cult Canada " tm. rifles!!

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I pieced them together when good deals on parts came up. The bottom has a Colt USA lower/BCG. The other two are complete CC.

They're pretty decent carbines. One of the site sponsors here offers barrel changes for these. So if you find yourself going through about $10K of ammo then you can change out that barrel.

The most direct competitor and product which I do actually prefer a bit to the C8IUR is the LMT mrp. Fortunately everyone was on the DD train and I managed to pick up a couple more at excellent prices! :) Shop smart, shop S mart! :p

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As per the "all things" federal comments. Well here is one of my favourites. There's nothing Federal about this setup. But it is fun! Simply put, I like nice firearms.
ADCOR with Herra HLS ambi lower.

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The Colt Canada carbines are fairly nice. The main things I like about them are the Monolithic rail with the QR on the side, the Barrels, the BCG and even small things like the straight gas tube and metal tab insert for the charging handle. Are the the end all be all? No. There are lots of options out there. We just happen to have a good one right here in Canada. As for price.. well some people are very good at bargain hunting. I personally find it half the fun.

The " Colt Canada" fanboy labeling going on is a bit ridiculous. This is my latest carbine. I think it's very nice but I won't be selling off my CC firearms. I'm fortunate and have a few very nice options. The CC isn't out of place among any of these other carbines.

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Mister Donut said:
If I could afford it, I would probably own at least one or two examples of every firearm ever produced, have my own gun library.
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There are a few that I would pass on. But... there are others I would like triples of!! CC happened to be one of them!!
 
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Kidd X said:
I don't think anyone is trying to tell people what to buy. It's just that the CC cult following is based more on blind faith and national pride(still an American company)...
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Nope. It's may be some sort of subsidiary of a US company, but Colt Canada is Canadian, employing Canadians.

According to Industry Canada:

Country of Ownership: Canada
Year Established: 1974
(http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/srch/nv...000&profile=cmpltPrfl&profileId=2056&app=sold)


... than on proof of a superior product on an appreciable level. This was proven when the early CC owners complained about being ripped off when the prices suddenly dropped a few hundred dollars. If the rifle was so amazing there shouldn't be any complaints about the price they paid.
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I don't think price has anything to do with "proof of a superior product." You can pay a ton for a total piece of crap (Fisker Karma) or you can pay a little for a great product (Maglula). That's such a nebulous term it's basically useless. Are Colt Canada products good value? Well, that depends on the buyer. Personally I bought an IUR at full freight, and when they went on for cheap, I didn't complain... I just thought it was a good chance to buy a second.
 
The expenditure of 30 billion rounds in testing and development of a rifle has a way to attract some groupies.
 
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