why the 3030?
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That would be those other rounds that would also be a poor choice, like the 303Brit, 30-40 Kraig, 7x57 Mausers, 30-06 in 1906, or even the other poor choice the .270Win in about 1925.
That would be those other rounds that would also be a poor choice, like the 303Brit, 30-40 Krag, 7x57 Mausers, 30-06 in 1906, or even the other poor choice the .270Win in about 1925.
Bad choices, all of them. Anemic, inaccurate, unreliable. Never work, never did, never will. All those people carrying them over their years never actually went hunting; they just checked into cheap hotels for week-long drunks and then bought their venison from the local butcher on their way home. They never realized that buying the .379 Shiny Shoulderbucker would have not only allowed them to shoot deer at 800 yards, through cover and on the other side of hills, but also that it would have made their willies bigger. Poor fools.
Well said!
One of the best posts in the whole 30-30 debate lately. The 30-30 (and the others mentioned above) worked, still work and will continue to do so for a long time to come. They all have limitations (mostly to to with the user as opposed to the cartridge) but those who dismiss them out of hand are being narrow minded to say the least.
Or could be that some people actually have hunted and shot with their 30-30 rifles extensivley, and can do exactly what they claim.
Just ike it seems that some are best at being internet armchair skeptics who spend more time behind the computer then their rifles.
Guess it takes all types to make the world go round.
Well, I for one have never considered the .30/30 a 300 yard round, anymore than I would consider an F150 a racing car. Does that mean that the F150 is a rotten truck? Hardly. It does what it is expected to do, designed to do - haul a pile of stuff around in reasonable comfort over not-completely-destroyed turf.
Nor would I say that the .30/30 is, "all you need." It would be a rotten gopher rifle, would be utterly inadequate for mountain goat at 400 yards and I would prefer to take something else with me in the (extremely unlikely) event I ever had to go after a wounded grizzly.
All that aside, within its envelope - out to 100 yards, maybe 150 if the Force is with you - for medium-size game, it does the job reliably.
There's an old saying about never asking a boy to do a man's job. The flip side of that however is that it doesn't take an Olympic athlete to mow the lawn - any 12 year old boy can do it perfectly well.
For a hunter who's planning to go after deer in broken ground or a heavily wooded area, there's no need for huge muzzle energy or the ability to hit something at 500 yards. The .30/30 brings home the venison - and that, not ballistics tables, is the only thing that matters.
Do I dare post about the fellow up here who shot an 85" moose quite a few years ago with his 30-30 and factory ammo,
or the guides I know personally who carry their Model 94 as a backup rifle,
or my friend who hunts moose and bear with the Lyman 311284 cast bullet ahead of a stomach full of 3031,
or our own CGN member, lledwod, who hunts Dall sheep with his '94 and everyone here thought that was great when he posted the pictures of his hunt?
Ted
or the guides I know personally who carry their Model 94 as a backup rifle,
or my friend who hunts moose and bear with the Lyman 311284 cast bullet ahead of a stomach full of 3031,
or our own CGN member, lledwod, who hunts Dall sheep with his '94 and everyone here thought that was great when he posted the pictures of his hunt?
Ted
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I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service...
I am not saying nor have I ever said that a 30-30 won't kill a deer within it's intended range...
But... My question is this.. Why would one want to limit themselves to the range of a 30-30?....
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or our own CGN member, lledwod, who hunts Dall sheep with his '94 and everyone here thought that was great when he posted the pictures of his hunt?
Ted
That was one of CGN's greatest hunting pictures IMO
If one could have but one rifle, perhaps.
But let me turn it around. Why would one want to limit oneself to the lesser power of, say, a .30-06 when the .300 Win Mag is available?
No, wait - there are .338 Lapua Magnums available, so why carry anything less?
Actually, why would anybody carry anything less effective than a .416 Rigby?
But we all know why, don't we? It's because a .416 is big, heavy, expensive and kicks like a mule. It is, moreover, too much gun for most people's purposes. While it might be an amazing round with all kinds of potential, most of that performance is wasted for most of us.
So, turning it around, why would anybody want to burden themselves with more gun than is needed?
No, don't bother answering. I think I know. You like whatever round you take hunting. It serves your purposes, fills your freezer. That's fine. Just keep in mind that the .30/30 has been filling freezers for over a century. Which means, in the end, that it's a perfectly adequate round. Under the conditions it is used, more range, more power, more velocity would be surplus to the requirement.
At what point is "more gun needed".... since a .30-06 can do what .30-30 does within the .30-30's range PLUS go out way further and is available in many more firearms as well as many more actions when does a .30-30 become a better choice?...
You don't get it... it isn't about why would someone burden themselves with more gun than needed.... it's about why would anyone want to put themselves ina situation wheret hey may not have enough gun?..... and that DOES NOT mean you need a super magnum.....
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still waiting for a logical argument against my post above.... not looking for a fight here.... I really want to know why someone would choose a 30-30 above other options?.... it drops quicker, carries less energy, is available in limited actions (almost onlky one to be exact)..... what is the appeal?.. I have a couple... they ride my safe.... why should I take them out?
