Wild dogs menace deer in Carnarvon

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Wild dogs menace deer in Carnarvon

Bryn Weese
Local news - Thursday, March 30, 2006 @ 07:00

A trio of wild dogs has been repeatedly sighted in the Carnarvon area, harassing, killing and eating deer along the way.

All winter long, sightings have been reported north of Carnarvon along the Highway 35 corridor as well on Highway 118 east of the crossroads. The numerous reports describe the large animals as two black dogs and a brown, short-haired terrier-like dog with an orange or red collar. The latter could be the very same dog, reported in last week’s Times, that was seen eating a deer alive on Highway 118 by Marylou Packard.

Another resident of Stanhope, Ralph Johnson, has also seen the dogs. Reporting yet another gruesome scene, Johnson says he found the dogs mauling a deer while it was still alive near his property on Peterson Road.

Johnson’s report confirms what others have described: wo big black dogs and one brownish dog with a collar.

“I saw them across from my property eating a deer,” he says about the incident that happened almost a month ago. “I drove up to them and saw that, the same as was in the paper last week, the deer was still alive.
They had eaten the butt out of it.”

Johnson returned to his house to get a gun to put the deer out of its misery and by the time he returned to the scene, the deer was dead and the dogs were gone.

Johnson insists the dogs he saw were not coyotes. Johnson thought that the two black dogs might be wolves but is unsure given the way the black dogs bark and the fact that he understands it is rare for wolves and dogs to socialize.

But at least one individual thinks otherwise.

Dave Cober is a Carnarvon resident who came within 20 feet of the beasts about six weeks ago when they were eating a live deer on the side of Highway 35 and Anglesey Road in broad daylight. He says two of the three dogs may in fact be wolves.

“There were two black ones and one beige and tan dog with a collar,” he says. “I wouldn’t know if the two black ones were wolves or not, but they didn’t look like domesticated dogs. They were definitely wild. I would say they were wolves, the two black ones.”

In May of last year, Cober had seen wolves feeding on a deer in the same spot.

Admittedly, the brown-coloured dog with the orange collar was at one point a domesticated dog, but because of the orange collar, Cober thinks it was likely a hunting dog that has taken to the wild and joined the wolves for food.

Whatever the species, wild dogs, wolves, or a combination thereof, there remains the question about what, if anything, should be done about them or who should do it.

Mitch O’Grady, a bylaw enforcement officer with Algonquin Highlands, says that there is a municipal bylaw for dogs running at large. The owner, if found, can be charged with a $125 fine for a first offence. The fine, says O’Grady, can rise to $5,000 for additional offences that need to be tried in a court of law. Dogs caught running at large without a collar are taken to the pound in Huntsville.

Despite the dog bylaw, however, O’Grady is quick to point out that dogs harassing deer are a Ministry of Natural Resources responsibility and people who witness the latter should call the MNR directly.

“Why would I go out there with a pen when they the conservation officers go out there with a gun,” says O’Grady.

And guns are one way the MNR deals with dogs on the loose.

Mike Ladouceur of the MNR recently told the Times that dogs caught harassing deer outside of deer season could be shot by conservation officers.

If two of the three dogs are wolves, it is unknown what will happen to them. However, although Ralph Johnson is reluctant to say what he’ll do if he sees them again, his silence says it all. Especially considering Johnson lost a cat to a coyote last year.

The MNR could not be reached for comment about what actions, if any, they will take concerning the three dogs in Carnarvon.

To report dogs on the loose, call the MNR Minden office at 286-1521.
 
Thirty five years ago we had a pack, 8-10 wild dogs taking down deer and also farmers calves. A few people got together, and with snowmobiles and shot guns they took care of the problem. They were a nasty bunch of dogs.
 
20 years ago there were wild dogs here around St-Amable, Quebec. At the city Hall some elected proposed to organize a hunt on the next Saturday morning. On Saturday at noon there were no more wild dogs around...:p
 
The MNR does not have the time nor the resources to effectively solve a problem such as this. And I do not intend this as a criticism of the MNR or the Conservation Officers in this province! They are ham-strung by the budget restraints and lack of direction from the provincial lieberal government.
It is unlikely that they are wolves, just the fact that one of them is a domestic dog with a collar points strongly to feral dogs or just bad pets at large. The best way to deal with them is just to shoot them and that is likely what the local CO will do if he can.:cool:
I know they would not live long in the Peterborough area as there a lot of Hunters, Cattlemen and Livestock operations. Hopefully word of mouth will allow enough like minded individuals to be aware of the problem. The likely conclusion will be that these predators will just disappear. The "triple S syndrome" will undoubtedly be the cause of their demise.;)
 
No real animal control or SPCA in the area?

The SPCA is obligated by law, and it's own charter to investigate, and trap the abandoned or run wild domestic dog, period!

And one having a collar equals domestic...also no wolves and dogs do not hang out together...
it's the myth of the Disney movies to believe otherwise. :rolleyes:

Domestic dogs mental, and social development max out at the adolescent level, while wolves continue to develop mentally, and socially into a form of adult hood that very few domestic dog breeds can attain.

Domestic dogs in the wild are more often then not treated as food by wolves.

We find domestics all the time in the woods in our area, usually trailer trash or Indian reserve dumped dogs...many turn out to be great pets again, once they get a roof over their heads again, and some good food...collars don't grow with dogs so it had to be put on or adjusted while when the dog had finished growing, which is 24 -36 months depending on the breed of dog.

Which also means said dogs has been around humans during and after the critical 4 month of age socialization period so said dog isn't pure feral.

Also I'd check into any reports of lost hikers, or hunters in the area...wouldn't be the first time a Fido has had to fend for himself after an owner has a heart attack in the woods, or an accident.
 
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these dogs have the skills to kill for food...they are not house pets...they are not that far from our camp...
a note is forwarded to all i know in the area...shoot on sight...ask the dumb questions later...
 
I had a good 'friend' who worked in the Minden MNR Office. Over the years, as much as I disliked enquiring, they would fill me in on the new MNR 'directives'. No doubt, the cutbacks over the years has really decimated historical MNR objectives, presence and morale. It is a department/service that the folks in the big cities don't use or see so it is an easy target at budget time. Just look at the Frost Center.

Unfortuantely, tracking wild dogs or responding to nuisance bears is no longer the public service we were once accustomed to. It appears that you're on your own.
 
fogducker said:
these dogs have the skills to kill for food...they are not house pets.

That pretty much sums up all dogs, but then again I thought these where "Wolves". :rolleyes:

I sent an e-mail to these folks as it is within their Zone of coverage pretty much.
http://www.ospca.org/muskoka/

And legally they have to respond to abandonment issues.
 
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we had a pack of dogs running through our bush when my parents first bought it. one year the dogs were tracking one of my hunting partners.they need to be taken out or they will attack people in due time
 
I find it interesting that one of the witnesses couldn't tell whether or not the 2 black ones were wolves........ from 20 feet away!!

I'm pretty sure most of us could tell if they were male or female from that distance...
 
Lord Carnarvon ...

As to feral dogs & "uncared for pets" running deer ... Shoot on sight, no questions aked. The best form of animal control (when needed) is a good rifle, a shovel & a closed mouth.
 
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