It'll be fine. Maverick 88 is a no frills mossy 500.
Generally speaking all slugs except for sabot rounds are designed for smooth bores. Personally I like the 2 3/4" federal 1.25oz slugs.
Wilderness carry shotgun
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It'll be fine. Maverick 88 is a no frills mossy 500.
Generally speaking all slugs except for sabot rounds are designed for smooth bores. Personally I like the 2 3/4" federal 1.25oz slugs.
I have an 870 that I put a folding stock on...pain in the butt...I will be replacing it with a nice piece of walnut when I can find one. I currently have a new Ithaca model 37 8 shot defender. one bead sight on the end...I can shoot minute of grapefruit at 25 yards with it...(maybe not so good with something coming at me...lol). It's well balanced and lighter than my 870...good and bad I suppose depending on how you like recoil.
From expierience I'd be more concered for bear than wolf...but ya never know.
There's alot of suggestions for rather short barreled shotguns for bush defense but if it's a charging animal , I would want no less than a 18.5" barrel and it would be loaded up with buckshot ( Griz country -slugs ).
Shooting fast with slugs , could very well lead to a miss and now all you got is club.
Those who don't believe this , ask a hunter who'll admit to missing one of those "sure shots" . I lost count how many running deer I've missed with slugs ...and those shots are under no real pressure that a charging animal would bring on ,
Not everybody actually trains for defense.
I've been a Mossy fan for alot of years . I have a 400g which I bought from Simpson-Sears back in '77. Still use it today for deer , turkey and sport , never an issue and the smoothest , fastest action I've used to date.
There's alot of suggestions for rather short barreled shotguns for bush defense but if it's a charging animal , I would want no less than a 18.5" barrel and it would be loaded up with buckshot ( Griz country -slugs ).
Shooting fast with slugs , could very well lead to a miss and now all you got is club.
Those who don't believe this , ask a hunter who'll admit to missing one of those "sure shots" . I lost count how many running deer I've missed with slugs ...and those shots are under no real pressure that a charging animal would bring on ,
Not everybody actually trains for defense.
I've been a Mossy fan for alot of years . I have a 400g which I bought from Simpson-Sears back in '77. Still use it today for deer , turkey and sport , never an issue and the smoothest , fastest action I've used to date.
Everybody talks about pumps and semis but I believe a short barreled double shotgun or coach gun would make for the best wilderness carry shotgun.
Most of them take down easy to ~20" pieces, foolproof (for when the adrenaline kicks in - no action to cycle) and as reliable as it gets (no action to cause feeding, extraction etc. problems)...
The lack of the action would allow you to have a normal size barrel in a light, compact package - e.g. 36" OAL with a 20" barrel...
You have the advantage of having different chokes and different ammo loaded and avaliable right away (e.g. shot & slug)...
Most of them take down easy to ~20" pieces, foolproof (for when the adrenaline kicks in - no action to cycle) and as reliable as it gets (no action to cause feeding, extraction etc. problems)...
The lack of the action would allow you to have a normal size barrel in a light, compact package - e.g. 36" OAL with a 20" barrel...
You have the advantage of having different chokes and different ammo loaded and avaliable right away (e.g. shot & slug)...
manbearpig
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there is nothing special that an 18.5" will do that an 8.5-14" barrel cant. chokes, not barrel length, are the most important factor in patterning.
the best gun for charging bear is whatever you have in your hand at the time i once had to shoot a black bear point blank in the face with a 410 pump first shot about 10 yards and the next 2 shots were at about 5 yards,dident kill the bear but it ####ed up its eyes and the last shot went right into the snout needles to say the bear couldent see or smell but it ####ed off,best advice is dont panic and make every shot count,my dedicated bear defence shotgun is an 870 with m4 type stock with 12inch dlask barrel threded for choke tubes even with the short barrel with a riffled choke tube in it the hornady sabot slugs group nice and tight out to about 75 yards which is plenty good enough for shots on a bear when its up close and personal ( i feel if the bear isent within 25 yards it isent a threat unless it is charging) now i carry a extrfull turkey choke with it and 50 rounds of #4 birdshot and ive got the best all round survival gun in the bush
Outcast
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My Rem 870 with 12.5 barrel is my number one hiking companion, damn accurate within 30 yards and thats all I ask....target below was shot this morning with it and 1 oz Winchester Super X slugs.
freddyfour
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The OP is a resident in Ontario and as such he probably would want to plug his shotty 2 + 1. Are you able to plug the 590?
I personally run a 12ga Mossberg 590SP with combat sights, Israeli Combat Systems slide grip with pat 1913 rails to which is attached surefire illumination. The buttstock is hogue - I prefer the grip. Plus if, for what ever reason, there are casualties I have 12ga starlight flares to alert medical heli-evac to my location. The 12ga shotgun has a lot to go for it. Not only for personal defence but survival applications as well.
I find the ballance point is easy to grasp and comfortable to hold (just forward of the action when loaded). This is important because if you've been fighting through the bush with a rifle that is cumbersome to hold you will feel it in your shoulders and neck at the end of the day.
Most important. STAY AWAY FROM PISTOL GRIPS AND FOLDING STOCKS!
I've put about 800 slugs through this shotgun and I've never had a failure to feed nor have any parts or pieces come loose or fallen off. I maintain it religiously, always keep it clean and the internals greased up. I've fired this shotgun in the field without hiccup even with dirt and conifer needles fouling the action. The tubular magazine capacity is 8 rounds of 2 3/4" slugs and I can chew through that amount of ammo very very quickly with this fast handling platform.
I am completely convinced that this shotgun is the best bear defence platform in Coastal British Columbia. However, I'm not sure how she would handle in extreme sub zero conditions - probably not very well. Certainly I would not have the action greased up - I'd run her dry. Worst case scenario you can attach a C7 Bayonet onto these suckers.
I hear wonderful things about the Remington 870 as well, but my experience is with mossbergs. The Mossberg is criticized because the extractor is smaller than the 870. I think this is a mute point as the mossberg has TWO extractors (one on each side of bolt). The Mossy also has a plastic trigger guard but again I've had no issues what so ever with any parts and components. Quite affordable and durable. We have walked many many kilometres in the bush together and I have complete confidence in this shotgun.
Yours truly carrying the mossy
Yes, I am part Saskwatch
manbearpig
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cheap SuperX slugs from my 8.5" punch through a foot thick tree. thats all the 'test' i need. a 12ga slug is a 12ga slug, and its going to ruin anything's day whether its travelling at 1350fps or 1050fps. IMHO at the ranges were talking about using these guns, velocity and trajectory are pretty much irrelevant.
archerynut
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forgot to say: before you spend a dime, why not just cut/crown the barrel yourself, and install a fiber optic bead? (if you dont know how, the 'AGI - building the fighting 870' covers this in detail, you can buy it from their site or download it online) you can EE the stock - mine in mint condition sold for $100 - and pick up something from Hogue, Speedfeed, etc. id stay away from the collapsible stock unless you want to reduce recoil for your wife/daughters, and in that case try a Knoxx. youll just about be able to build it for free. youll end up with something like this, which is all you really need:
aside from one day possibly saving your life, that is one of the nicest, most pleasing to the eye - shotguns I have ever seen. the combination of the wood and the blued steel just looks so great.
I recommend a mossberg 500 persuader
manbearpig
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according to the Ontario COs i spoke to, if you are in the bush with a gun you are hunting.
when asked about wildlife defense, one CO i spoke to stated that 'people are not attacked by animals'. when i politely brought up recent incidents of attacks as well as statistics, he said 'if you are concerned about being attacked by an animal in the bush, then stay home'. makes me feel warm and squishy inside that my tax dollars pay these guys' salaries
you will hear all sortsof 'theories' about carrying a gun in the bush. many are from people who have never left their armchairs, and many more are from people who may practice what they preach but have been lucky enough not to have been stopped yet (or live in gun friendlier areas with saner COs). youll hear everything from '8.5" shotguns with PGOs are legal to carry', 'you dont need to abide by 2+1 if you arent hunting', to 'guns dont need to be encased at night if youre not hunting', etc. im not saying dont carry, but i can tell you right now if you get stopped by a CO in the bush and youre in camo, you have a shotgun with 5 slugs in the mag, a large fixed blade on your hip, its big game season and you dont have a license+tag youre going to be in a world of trouble
freddyfour
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according to the Ontario COs i spoke to, if you are in the bush with a gun you are hunting.
when asked about wildlife defense, one CO i spoke to stated that 'people are not attacked by animals'. when i politely brought up recent incidents of attacks as well as statistics, he said 'if you are concerned about being attacked by an animal in the bush, then stay home'. makes me feel warm and squishy inside that my tax dollars pay these guys' salaries
you will hear all sortsof 'theories' about carrying a gun in the bush. many are from people who have never left their armchairs, and many more are from people who may practice what they preach but have been lucky enough not to have been stopped yet (or live in gun friendlier areas with saner COs). youll hear everything from '8.5" shotguns with PGOs are legal to carry', 'you dont need to abide by 2+1 if you arent hunting', to 'guns dont need to be encased at night if youre not hunting', etc. im not saying dont carry, but i can tell you right now if you get stopped by a CO in the bush and youre in camo, you have a shotgun with 5 slugs in the mag, a large fixed blade on your hip, its big game season and you dont have a license+tag youre going to be in a world of trouble
That's right. In Ontario if you are in the area where there is wild life inhabiting them you are considered to be hunting. Which h is why I asked if you could plug the 590. Maybe a good semi .223 with a LAR mag would be a better choice?
Brutus
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You have never even heard of Brenneke Rottweill Classic slugs have you?
FYI, even the 20 gauge 2 3/4 inch Winchester Supreme Gold Partition Sabots are clocked at 1900 fps with .451 diameter bullet originally made for .454 Casull.
Where exactly does .357 Magnum fit into this formula?
All slugs are not created equal, do your homework before posting off topic, in this forum entitled shotguns regarding the subject of a wilderness carry shotgun.
