wilderness carry

cement head said:
Sorry but you said a revolver has more tolerance for debris . from everything I have ever heard the reason the military went away from revolvers is they get screwed up quicker than a semiauto . which usually doesn't have any open areas like a revolver. if you carry a revolver and you your choice is a Gp100 see if you can find a holster that has a full flap . otherwise in Bear country you might be better served by a 10mm glock . if I had to go into the bush I'd be carrying a 12 gauge pump loaded with slugs . now this is just my opinion .
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ever try fly fishing and having a 12 ga very close to you and brown bears around?

this is where an handgun come handy. it is not because we cannot do it in some places that it cant in some others ... we are a few yukoners going fishing or hunting small game in alaska and guess what we carry an handgun ...just because it is handy.

i never heard about that reason for the military but i ve heard about fast shooting and reloading for most of the privates not the exception. in todays world the magazines capacity will kill any wheel barrel but im still using for the power and the way i can shoot. never tried a glock 10mm so cant comment.
 
I had a very unfortunate encounter with a 2 year old Black Bear Boar a few years ago. I stumbled on him and a VERY fresh kill, got no warning, didn’t even SEE him or the kill until we were past them. He came in like a freight train, and I was only carrying a Rossi 92 short carbine in .357mag. Fortunately I was VERY familiar with the gun, and it was loaded with hot home loads topped with hardcast 180gr. Round nose bullets. I got one, semi-aimed shot away, and hit low inside his mouth, back of the tongue. I got full penetration into the brain cavity, enough velocity to knock a piece of skull loose inside, and it then bounced around a bit.
The round turned out it’s lights instantly. Back in kinder, gentler times in the late 60’s/early 70’s a bunch of Cop buddies and I hunted together regularly. Everyone carried a sidearm...I know, I know. It is what it is/was. A number of the guys just carried their service weapon, a S&W Model 10 with a 5in. Barrel. I had gotten a good deal on a S&W 66. 4in. Bull barrel .357mag. That was always my preferred bush gun. It would handle some horrendously potent loads for a K frame revolver, and with stainless steel, it was pretty impervious to the weather. The only thing I always wished that gun had was adjustable sights. Thankfully it was nice and accurate for fixed sights, and they were big and easy to acquire.
I’ve gotten to know a number of hunting guides in coastal Alaska over the years, and it’s always mildly surprised me the number who carry smaller calibre pistols; .357mag, 44mag, etc. .454, 460, .500 have been slower than I’d have expected to gain acceptance and get regular carry for many of them. One guy who’s guided on POW and Kodiak islands for close to 40 years now has carried a Colt 4in. .357mag in an Alaskan chest rig for over 30 years, and has defended himself and/or clients more than once with it. Hes always been of the opinion that he can get 5 or 6 rounds away on target as fast as most can do the same with 2 rounds of .44 or one round of the big guns. His logic is pretty sound, I think. Putting multiple 180 gr. Cast lead rounds where you need them most, and doing it fast, probably offers you a better outcome most times
 
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I had a very unfortunate encounter with a 2 year old Black Bear Boar a few years ago. I stumbled on him and a VERY fresh kill, got no warning, didn’t even SEE him or the kill until we were past them. He came in like a freight train, and I was only carrying a Rossi 92 short carbine in .357mag. Fortunately I was VERY familiar with the gun, and it was loaded with hot home loads topped with hardcast 180gr. Round nose bullets. I got one, semi-aimed shot away, and hit low inside his mouth, back of the tongue. I got full penetration into the brain cavity, enough velocity to knock a piece of skull loose inside, and it then bounced around a bit.
The round turned out it’s lights instantly. Back in kinder, gentler times in the late 60’s/early 70’s a bunch of Cop buddies and I hunted together regularly. Everyone carried a sidearm...I know, I know. It is what it is/was. A number of the guys just carried their service weapon, a S&W Model 10 with a 5in. Barrel. I had gotten a good deal on a S&W 66. 4in. Bull barrel .357mag. That was always my preferred bush gun. It would handle some horrendously potent loads for a K frame revolver, and with stainless steel, it was pretty impervious to the weather. The only thing I always wished that gun had was adjustable sights. Thankfully it was nice and accurate for fixed sights, and they were big and easy to acquire.
I’ve gotten to know a number of hunting guides in coastal Alaska over the years, and it’s always mildly surprised me the number who carry smaller calibre pistols; .357mag, 44mag, etc. .454, 460, .500 have been slower than I’d have expected to gain acceptance and get regular carry for many of them. One guy who’s guided on POW and Kodiak islands for close to 40 years now has carried a Colt 4in. .357mag in an Alaskan chest rig for over 30 years, and has defended himself and/or clients more than once with it. Hes always been of the opinion that he can get 5 or 6 rounds away on target as fast as most can do the same with 2 rounds of .44 or one round of the big guns. His logic is pretty sound, I think. Putting multiple 180 gr. Cast lead rounds where you need them most, and doing it fast, probably offers you a better outcome most times
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there is no doubt than most of us can shoot better a 357 or even better a 38sp than a 44 mag ...

most of the people i know in alaska (not that much either lol) are using short barrel 357 mag and a chest carrier. the most choose a gp100 stainless and it is my favourite actual model as well.
 
Revolver seems handier than the other options. Just not in Canada.

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I find I shoot a 41mag about as instinctively as a comparative 357, but shoot my 44 slower due to the much heavier 300gr bullets through it (and all the additional muzzle flip). To the guys leaning 357 vs 44, try a 41. A 41 using fat-meplat mid-weight bullets will fully equal the 44's usable power but do it in an easier shooting platform. Hand over fist trump a 357 for sure ... 41's the sweet spot

On my trapline I opted to carry a 22 revolver for dispatch vs centerfire of any kind, but if I test for the centerfires down the road and do add one to MY permit, it will surely be my 4,5/8's Blackhawk 41mag. Packable size is nice, load it with full power buffalo bore hardcasts and carry it in a leather holster spec'd just like my 22 gets carried for dispatching. Ideal bush sidearm in my opinion. I have a semi-22 that I debated to add as a backup to my revolver, but canned the idea altogether because in extreme cold (like during fur season) the slide is slow and I get jams & misfires time to time. Warm weather never a problem, but in the bush while it's cold, semi gets an F far as I'm concerned; fails at the range under cold, no damn good to me if I'd really have to use it. So for that alone I'd never choose a semi-auto centerfire for protection of life, regardless of how many rounds it holds or a guy can get off during practice in the hot July sun ... I believe 100% in revolvers under outdoors & adverse weather conditions, and this written up above is why. Others, do what ya like, but I won't carry one.

Really is a shame otherwise though, that the current permits aren't available in a wider range of outdoors applications, there should-be a general outdoorsman style permit added to the CFC's set of criteria's on ATC's. I'm saying that as a holder myself, and avid outdoorsman year round, I very firmly believe backcountry carry is the most foolishly overlooked set of permits that aren't currently available to the Canadian outdoorsman.
 
with what i currently have id carry either my Glock40 (which is really a little on the long side for ATC) or my 1911 in 10mm either of them with some Buffalo Bore bear defense rounds that i have.
those or my GP100.

i must admit though, the more i shoot my dads guns the more im thinking his S&W 460V Mag would be ideal - granted HEAVY.
that or his 1911 in 460 Rowland.

ideally i think i would like to carry a G20.
light, small and reliable.
 
medvedqc said:
ever try fly fishing and having a 12 ga very close to you and brown bears around?

this is where an handgun come handy. it is not because we cannot do it in some places that it cant in some others ... we are a few yukoners going fishing or hunting small game in alaska and guess what we carry an handgun ...just because it is handy.

i never heard about that reason for the military but i ve heard about fast shooting and reloading for most of the privates not the exception. in todays world the magazines capacity will kill any wheel barrel but im still using for the power and the way i can shoot. never tried a glock 10mm so cant comment.
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I understand what you talking about . pretty hard to carry a shotgun all the time . and I have read articles about people carrying a 357 instead of a 44 in bear country . I have seen videos of when large bears have attacked people and you only have seconds to react . I envy people who can carry in the bush while hiking . and I also like the GP 100 more than any newer Smith . my first 357 was a Smith 586 with the 4 way adjustable sight on the front . bought it brand new . $425 dollars . that was a long time ago . I wanted a model 27 or 28 but they didn't have one . it was accurate and had a beautiful trigger but as far as I was concerned it couldn't hold a candle to my friends model 27 in the strength nor the looks category .

it was sold many years ago . my feeling is that the GP 100 is a stronger revolver than that 586 , the trigger isn't as nice but with some practice I don't have any problems . I have a question medvedqc . when you carry in the bush do you load your pistols with factory ammo or do you roll your own ? and if you roll your own do you put primer sealer on the primer and around where the bullet is crimped ? I'm just wondering . I hope you people up there aren't having to deal with too much of what's going on down here . stay safe.
 
I had a Ruger Redhawk in .44mag on my permit, as well as a few 10mm semis.

Never carried the revolver much, as it made way more sense in my mind to have a mag ready to go rather than speedloaders in the event of a crash. Ended up selling the wheel gib. Transportation rules still apply so when im in the machine the gun has to be unloaded!

If I were to have a bad landing and have an incapacitated arm, I'd much rather be loading mags into a semi than speedloading a revolver...

At that point I'll take my chances with contact shots through a semi, the day isn't gonna get any worse.
 
whiskeywillow said:
Really is a shame otherwise though, that the current permits aren't available in a wider range of outdoors applications, there should-be a general outdoorsman style permit added to the CFC's set of criteria's on ATC's. I'm saying that as a holder myself, and avid outdoorsman year round, I very firmly believe backcountry carry is the most foolishly overlooked set of permits that aren't currently available to the Canadian outdoorsman.
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Couldn't agree more!! Wish I would see legislation such as this come down the line during my lifetime... and while I'm still mobile enough to be in the back country. I know people that, contrary to current restricted ATC take their handguns with them on hunting/camping/hiking/etc. excursions. I don't disagree that they feel justified, and I don't preach to them about the regs, but for me the consequences if you're caught are ASTRONOMICALLY not worth it, so I don't even entertain the idea. I do take a shotgun with good slugs...it's awkward most of the time but better than nothing.
 
cement head said:
I understand what you talking about . pretty hard to carry a shotgun all the time . and I have read articles about people carrying a 357 instead of a 44 in bear country . I have seen videos of when large bears have attacked people and you only have seconds to react . I envy people who can carry in the bush while hiking . and I also like the GP 100 more than any newer Smith . my first 357 was a Smith 586 with the 4 way adjustable sight on the front . bought it brand new . $425 dollars . that was a long time ago . I wanted a model 27 or 28 but they didn't have one . it was accurate and had a beautiful trigger but as far as I was concerned it couldn't hold a candle to my friends model 27 in the strength nor the looks category .

it was sold many years ago . my feeling is that the GP 100 is a stronger revolver than that 586 , the trigger isn't as nice but with some practice I don't have any problems . I have a question medvedqc . when you carry in the bush do you load your pistols with factory ammo or do you roll your own ? and if you roll your own do you put primer sealer on the primer and around where the bullet is crimped ? I'm just wondering . I hope you people up there aren't having to deal with too much of what's going on down here . stay safe.
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Hello cement head,

i try to avoid to be attached to a brand and try to use what is working and reliable which for me is mostly ruger will it be the gp100 or the hawkeye rifles, but everybody can be different and maybe a glock 20 may work but as im lefty they will have to come on the 5th generation.

i do not reload for the 357 or 9mm and contrary to rifles maybe one day i will have to do it: so factory ammo.

for the stuff going on all over the world it is there too and we have at least 7 cases confirmed for a population of not even 40000. myself has been put in quarantine and now starting my 3 rd week of it. but all is good for now.

wish you a great Easter time.
 
I carried mostly a 4” 29 and 629 from 1987 to 2007 then switched to a M&P 45 sprung to shoot 45 supers.

The plastic gun was more than half a pound lighter and held ten rounds of 230 grain xtp at 975 FPS vs a 240 at 1100 FPS and far easier to shoot and control.
 
For those of us peons who don't have a carry permit, I use an Alpine holster for my Webley MkII. I like it because it looks like a case for binoculars or some other type of outdoor gear if you happen upon someone else in the bush so you don't alarm them.

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It may be no 454 casul, but I figure it's better than my bare hands.

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cement head said:
. my feeling is that the GP 100 is a stronger revolver than that 586 , the trigger isn't as nice but with some practice I don't have any problems .
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Ya I don't know about this. I've never seen any empirical info to suggest the GP100 is functionally stronger than the 586 or 686. Stronger than the K frame 19 or 66 for sure, but the L frame was specifically designed to handle a full diet of 357 and is the same size and weight as the GP100 (a little heavier even). Considering they have both been around for 30 years and been put through their paces, you'd think there would be a weight of evidence at this point.

I've certainly read about some isolated problems with the L-frames, but some GPs have had issues too (like cracked forcing cones).

Maybe the frame design is theoretically stronger but i don't think that is the weak link in shooting magnums. The only potential advantage of the GP that I can see is that its lock work is easier to service as it drops right out of the gun.
 
cement head said:
Sorry but you said a revolver has more tolerance for debris . from everything I have ever heard the reason the military went away from revolvers is they get screwed up quicker than a semiauto . which usually doesn't have any open areas like a revolver. if you carry a revolver and you your choice is a Gp100 see if you can find a holster that has a full flap . otherwise in Bear country you might be better served by a 10mm glock . if I had to go into the bush I'd be carrying a 12 gauge pump loaded with slugs . now this is just my opinion .
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Fair points. Its an ongoing learning process and im not set in my way. I was leaning towards a full flap just because i want the hammer protected from snagging brush. Most people have no idea how thick bush can be when they naturally just walk around the thickest stuff.

Carrying a long gun is not possible with the work I do. It would be a massive hindrance if carried in a way that it could be quickly deployed. If I sling it on my back it would be a nightmare for snags and would never get deployed fast enough in an emergency.

I get paid by the metre. I can't be constantly fussing with yet another item that needs constant adjusting.
 
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