and I dont doubt this would be really fun too. infact, if/when I have more time I might look into this. But to cast stones from at the top of your hill at everyone else is just jerkish.
Will the AR ever be Non-Restricted, again?
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and I dont doubt this would be really fun too. infact, if/when I have more time I might look into this. But to cast stones from at the top of your hill at everyone else is just jerkish.
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Simple because when they come for them (and they will) people owning scary black rifles because they can and they want to is not going to pull any weight with the public at large.
Look at the ATTs that IPSC shooters get. Big group, sanctioned events...... we need to stop doing damage control and grow.
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Not trying to be a jerk but the question is do we want to be doing this in ten years? 20? do we want our kids to have access to what we have? I feel so strongly about supporting SR that I will be sponsoring a new shooter (loaner rifle, ammo and fees) each year same as the last.
Two weekends a year will get you out for the regional and provincial matches in BC.
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Spectacular but awkward.
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Personally I dont see why youd need to justify having an AR15 by target shooting when you could and should be able to justify it as a hunting weapon. All the reasons its a good military weapon also make its a great hunting weapon. I cant think of a better coyote bush gun and given Canada's coyote/ coyote-wolf problems having an AR15 to hunt would be a great justification for this gun.
Being limited to AAA buckshot most of the year for coyotees is just lame.
Being limited to AAA buckshot most of the year for coyotees is just lame.
Some of us can't shoot kneeling or prone, but that does not mean I shouldn't be able to own and shoot AR's at paper targets at my range or at a game animal in the field.
Umm, what he said.
What he said too. Fixed it up for you since we don't hunt with weapons, no need to defend oneself from a deer. I fully intend to hunt with my R-15 and R-25 in the U.S. first then eventually in Canada. I know I will have mine in 10 years, 20 years, until they put me in the ground.
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And my dad thought he could always buy another FN in a few years, bam gone (not that is matters because no one can shoot them anymore in Canada).
I believe all gun owners should stick together and fight for each others rights as a whole. The realist in me however thinks that our only way to survive let alone gain rights (as black rifle shooters) is to get big enough (again) that we won't fit under the public policy bus.
I agree with Gunner that there needs to be more growth in our sport.
However not all race fans are NASCAR fans and NASCAR is not the only legitimate motorsport.
Unfortunately in Canada there aren't many options, Its up to us to be ambassadors of our sport at all levels.
However, the polititians and PUBLIC need to realize plinking is and indeed collecting is a legitimate reason to own a firearm. Just like taking the car out for a Sunday drive is legitimate use of a motor vehicle. Just because you have no where to drive it doesn't mean you should be disallowed.
As far as living within our arcane firearms laws go...
The more legally owned and operated restricted black rifles out there the harder it is for the powers that be to easily prohibit and confiscate them. They become a de facto standard of the restricted rifle by their sheer volume.
I don't know how many legally owned ARs there are in Canada but it's a different political ballgame if there are 100,000 rather than 100.
Every Restricted firearms licence holder should buy at least one stripped AR- lower. *grin* That would make the AR pretty much impossible to prohibit/ban/confiscate.
One of our dealers is selling Spikes Tactical Mil-spec forgings (lowers) for $32.51. I wonder if these are "legal" lowers.
If these Spikes lowers are indeed classified as Restricted firearms by the CFC then we should all buy them in bulk and transfer them legally to friends for Christmas, New Years, Hannukah, Ramadan, Kwanza, Festivus, Easter, Halloween, Birthdays, Valentines, Mother's day etc, etc....
Essentially a legal AR in every neighbourhood in every town and city in every province and territory.
Take that Wendy!!
However not all race fans are NASCAR fans and NASCAR is not the only legitimate motorsport.
Unfortunately in Canada there aren't many options, Its up to us to be ambassadors of our sport at all levels.
However, the polititians and PUBLIC need to realize plinking is and indeed collecting is a legitimate reason to own a firearm. Just like taking the car out for a Sunday drive is legitimate use of a motor vehicle. Just because you have no where to drive it doesn't mean you should be disallowed.
As far as living within our arcane firearms laws go...
The more legally owned and operated restricted black rifles out there the harder it is for the powers that be to easily prohibit and confiscate them. They become a de facto standard of the restricted rifle by their sheer volume.
I don't know how many legally owned ARs there are in Canada but it's a different political ballgame if there are 100,000 rather than 100.
Every Restricted firearms licence holder should buy at least one stripped AR- lower. *grin* That would make the AR pretty much impossible to prohibit/ban/confiscate.
One of our dealers is selling Spikes Tactical Mil-spec forgings (lowers) for $32.51. I wonder if these are "legal" lowers.
If these Spikes lowers are indeed classified as Restricted firearms by the CFC then we should all buy them in bulk and transfer them legally to friends for Christmas, New Years, Hannukah, Ramadan, Kwanza, Festivus, Easter, Halloween, Birthdays, Valentines, Mother's day etc, etc....
Essentially a legal AR in every neighbourhood in every town and city in every province and territory.
Take that Wendy!!
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I owned an AR back when it was just another rifle. Then they were restricted, then derestricted (under Joe Clark's government) and then restricted again.
The only reason the AR did not become prohibited is because the DCRA made the case that the AR was used in target shooting competition.
It wasn't because of hunting, plinking, or mirror kommando posing.
The government intended to prohibit every "assault rifle", the AR was the only one that escaped at the time.
Prohibition of the AR would be irrelevant for service personnel participating in CFSAC or any similar competition. Civilians cannot compete in CFSAC, so the AR's legal situation is much more important to them.
Not everyone wants, or is able, to compete in Service Conditions, CQB, Three Gun, whatever. That's fine. But the only reason an AR can be used for recreational shooting on a range is because of its use in competition.
To the question, "Will the AR ever become non-restricted?"
While I would like to see it, I doubt that it will happen in my lifetime.
Perhaps the question should be, "Will the AR survive the next round of prohibitions?"
The only reason the AR did not become prohibited is because the DCRA made the case that the AR was used in target shooting competition.
It wasn't because of hunting, plinking, or mirror kommando posing.
The government intended to prohibit every "assault rifle", the AR was the only one that escaped at the time.
Prohibition of the AR would be irrelevant for service personnel participating in CFSAC or any similar competition. Civilians cannot compete in CFSAC, so the AR's legal situation is much more important to them.
Not everyone wants, or is able, to compete in Service Conditions, CQB, Three Gun, whatever. That's fine. But the only reason an AR can be used for recreational shooting on a range is because of its use in competition.
To the question, "Will the AR ever become non-restricted?"
While I would like to see it, I doubt that it will happen in my lifetime.
Perhaps the question should be, "Will the AR survive the next round of prohibitions?"
According to some of you we should expect to give up our shotguns if we don't hunt the 'right' clays, give up our rifles if we don't shoot the 'right' paper, give up handguns if we don't shoot with a 'timer'.
I guess all the people that collect vintage firearms and muzzle-loaders that don't have a sanctioning body to oversee their usage better just turn them all in. You guys just aren't 'legitimate' enough.
What a crock of BS. If 'shooting events' were used as a means by which to prevent restriction or prohibition then so be it, but it doesn't mean the other uses aren't legitimate.
I guess all the people that collect vintage firearms and muzzle-loaders that don't have a sanctioning body to oversee their usage better just turn them all in. You guys just aren't 'legitimate' enough.
What a crock of BS. If 'shooting events' were used as a means by which to prevent restriction or prohibition then so be it, but it doesn't mean the other uses aren't legitimate.
Wow, I didnt know it was that easy to own the registered part of an AR. for 32 bucks everyone needs to buy one!! great idea.
The longer there are no new banning or firearms added to the prohibited list, then the more less relevant the list becomes. The only thing we can do is keep fighting and keep bringing more people to the shooting sport as possible. Organization & discipline are key, we have to stay away from in-fighting, it's not like we have an empire of a movement, so we can't waste what little time we have. We can't afford to lose any ground anymore, no more, we need to be going on the offensive as much as we can.
I try my best to bring as many people to the sport every year, and especially to the restricted realm, there is strength in numbers and this relates to strength in votes.
I try my best to bring as many people to the sport every year, and especially to the restricted realm, there is strength in numbers and this relates to strength in votes.
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Dumb idea, because it isn't the registered part of an AR.
These are just the raw forgings,, no milling of the inside at all. As the OEM states, "great as a novelty, or paperweight".
You need at least a finished receiver, minus the parts before it is recognized as a firearm,, and thus must be registered.
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They are a legal as your toaster,, only less useful.
They are not classified as any type of firearm,, they are just hunks of metal as far as the CFC or Firearms are concerned.
That's too bad in a way. You'd think the folks at RCMP would have classified them as restricted firearms in all their wisdom.
Oh well.... Who was selling those anyway? I wouldn't mind a paperweight for conversation.
But Shelldrake.... If you do buy just a stripped lower, not just a forging then it is a registered part right?
Oh well.... Who was selling those anyway? I wouldn't mind a paperweight for conversation.
But Shelldrake.... If you do buy just a stripped lower, not just a forging then it is a registered part right?
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Yes,, and Questar is the outfit that lists the Spikes forgings.
Now you could machine one of these raw forgings into an operating lower,, but once you approach 80% complete, you are obligated to register it. It's a lot of work, and skill to do that job though.
