Does any one know if the guns we get come with the trigger job? I ask because I know that with the Langdon Beretta Elite LTT (92G) if you don't order direct from LTT...you wont get a gun with the trigger work. Unless the gun shop asked for one WITH..there IS a risk of getting one without if you assume it had that done. You'll get every other feature BUT...and dropping in a LTT drop-in trigger kit still won't get you the same result as if the gun was ordered direct from LTT. Better than stock (92G) but not the same...
Wilson Combat Beretta Centurion
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I am not 100% sure, because there's no "official source" that answers your question. But I think that the Wilson Combat doesn't come with the trigger job. If you go to these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-RUv32v4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIfb-04YM88
and scroll down to the comments, there are people talking about about sending in their Wilson Combat Berettas in for a trigger job. Again though, if anyone can confirm or prove me wrong, please do so.
On another note, for the price you're paying for that gun, I'd be upset and surprised if it didn't come with a trigger job already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-RUv32v4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIfb-04YM88
and scroll down to the comments, there are people talking about about sending in their Wilson Combat Berettas in for a trigger job. Again though, if anyone can confirm or prove me wrong, please do so.
On another note, for the price you're paying for that gun, I'd be upset and surprised if it didn't come with a trigger job already.
I recently purchased a 1990 police service Centurion from a member here in .40. Slick slide, no safety, DA only. Not a Wilson Combat though. Factory gun.
Excellent external condition, seemed more to have been in and out of a holster than shot. Just looking at it, it was evident it had some kind locking block problem cause the barrel had some wear on the left side from rubbing the front end of the slide and seemed a bit cocked to the left.
I knew going in I’d be giving it an overhaul. I have plenty of components on hand as I work on Berettas quite a bit. Sure enough I discovered something weird with the locking block plunger pin. Someone had filed down the front of the pin so the locking block can be removed without unpinning it. So I think. Maybe. Never seen that before caused by simple wear. So I replaced the block and plunger pin with the newest version set. I think they’re up to version 4 now on the locking blocks.
At the same time, I had a WC Ultimate Action Tune Kit and a short reach trigger I bought separately. Thought I’d give it a try. With their kit, they provide three weights of hammer springs. 12, 13 and 14 #. These springs are of chrome silicon. I installed the 12# for now. Factory D spring is 16#, but the WC trigger bar is built to give you more hammer arc and that makes using a lighter spring a bit more reliable. Haven’t been able to try it out yet cause of the lockdowns and the range being closed. I use Winchester primers with my hand loads, so that might be a bit light. We’ll see.
I didn’t like the short reach trigger for several reasons right off the top. One, it has a shorter reach yes, not by much though. 1/16” or so. It was enough to mess up my trigger control being so used to the factory trigger. I have big mitts so it’s not like I can’t reach the OEM trigger.
Secondly, trigger had too much lateral play from the frame when installed. It measured just a bit narrower than the OEM. I also didn’t like the sharpness of the edges under my nose picker pad. OEM has smoother finished edges. So that came off and back to the OEM trigger.
I kept the trigger bar as it eliminated the overtravel completely. Actually had to be stoned a bit for the hammer to break reliably.
I did exactly what Ernest Langdon does to his action tune kit for a very smooth continuous trigger pull. Sear, and hammer engagements needed some attention stoning for a crisp release and a new sear spring installed. Worked out quite well. However, this trigger bar has some getting used to. Trigger needs to be pulled further back than what I’m used to with my other Berettas. I can deal with that in practice I suppose. I shoot revolvers, and this trigger pull is close being DAO.
Basically what WC has done with this kit between the trigger bar and short reach trigger is they moved the trigger pull back by 1/16”. You can clearly see the one hole for the trigger pin is in a slightly different location. And the trigger bar allows for more arc.
I also replaced the mag release with a WC extended one. Not sure if I like it much either as it’s a bit too long for my liking. The checkering is quite aggressive. And of course the grip panels for the flatter rubber ones produced by Hogue which serve me the best.
So, as far as WC including their components in their custom builds, I’d say yes they do, unless you specify otherwise. I’d think they’d use all their aftermarket components in the custom guns they put out.
In conclusion, I don’t think WCs custom Beretta is worth the money. Nor do I feel their parts are all that impressively made. You pay more for their name and noteriety. Berettas are a work of art where I don’t believe they need the wheel reinvented. A few spring, yea for sure, no more.
I love Berettas, they shoot well for me and after many years, I shoot them accurately.
Excellent external condition, seemed more to have been in and out of a holster than shot. Just looking at it, it was evident it had some kind locking block problem cause the barrel had some wear on the left side from rubbing the front end of the slide and seemed a bit cocked to the left.
I knew going in I’d be giving it an overhaul. I have plenty of components on hand as I work on Berettas quite a bit. Sure enough I discovered something weird with the locking block plunger pin. Someone had filed down the front of the pin so the locking block can be removed without unpinning it. So I think. Maybe. Never seen that before caused by simple wear. So I replaced the block and plunger pin with the newest version set. I think they’re up to version 4 now on the locking blocks.
At the same time, I had a WC Ultimate Action Tune Kit and a short reach trigger I bought separately. Thought I’d give it a try. With their kit, they provide three weights of hammer springs. 12, 13 and 14 #. These springs are of chrome silicon. I installed the 12# for now. Factory D spring is 16#, but the WC trigger bar is built to give you more hammer arc and that makes using a lighter spring a bit more reliable. Haven’t been able to try it out yet cause of the lockdowns and the range being closed. I use Winchester primers with my hand loads, so that might be a bit light. We’ll see.
I didn’t like the short reach trigger for several reasons right off the top. One, it has a shorter reach yes, not by much though. 1/16” or so. It was enough to mess up my trigger control being so used to the factory trigger. I have big mitts so it’s not like I can’t reach the OEM trigger.
Secondly, trigger had too much lateral play from the frame when installed. It measured just a bit narrower than the OEM. I also didn’t like the sharpness of the edges under my nose picker pad. OEM has smoother finished edges. So that came off and back to the OEM trigger.
I kept the trigger bar as it eliminated the overtravel completely. Actually had to be stoned a bit for the hammer to break reliably.
I did exactly what Ernest Langdon does to his action tune kit for a very smooth continuous trigger pull. Sear, and hammer engagements needed some attention stoning for a crisp release and a new sear spring installed. Worked out quite well. However, this trigger bar has some getting used to. Trigger needs to be pulled further back than what I’m used to with my other Berettas. I can deal with that in practice I suppose. I shoot revolvers, and this trigger pull is close being DAO.
Basically what WC has done with this kit between the trigger bar and short reach trigger is they moved the trigger pull back by 1/16”. You can clearly see the one hole for the trigger pin is in a slightly different location. And the trigger bar allows for more arc.
I also replaced the mag release with a WC extended one. Not sure if I like it much either as it’s a bit too long for my liking. The checkering is quite aggressive. And of course the grip panels for the flatter rubber ones produced by Hogue which serve me the best.
So, as far as WC including their components in their custom builds, I’d say yes they do, unless you specify otherwise. I’d think they’d use all their aftermarket components in the custom guns they put out.
In conclusion, I don’t think WCs custom Beretta is worth the money. Nor do I feel their parts are all that impressively made. You pay more for their name and noteriety. Berettas are a work of art where I don’t believe they need the wheel reinvented. A few spring, yea for sure, no more.
I love Berettas, they shoot well for me and after many years, I shoot them accurately.
Great review! What are your thoughts on 92 series for IPSC? And what's your favorite beretta pistol?
Thank you for your kind comment glitchtyzz.
Beretta 92 is an ideal IPSC Production Division pistol. Tigger pull is about right with a D spring keeping it over 5lbs.
Open, have you seen the RDO optic cut Ernest Langdon offers. He cuts the slide for his proprietary optic plate allowing for Trijicon RMR, Holosun and others, to be mounted. And mounted very low. Doesn’t work with the Brigadier slide though.
He mounts a higher front and rear sights which co-witness with the optic. Helps with finding the red dot till you get used to the optic.
You can buy a complete top end and keep your OEM slide for Production.
I’d have to say I’ve taken a liking to the shorter Berettas, Compact and Centurion. They just balance better for me. But I do prefer them in .40 cal.
Pardon the terrible photos.
Beretta 92 is an ideal IPSC Production Division pistol. Tigger pull is about right with a D spring keeping it over 5lbs.
Open, have you seen the RDO optic cut Ernest Langdon offers. He cuts the slide for his proprietary optic plate allowing for Trijicon RMR, Holosun and others, to be mounted. And mounted very low. Doesn’t work with the Brigadier slide though.
He mounts a higher front and rear sights which co-witness with the optic. Helps with finding the red dot till you get used to the optic.
You can buy a complete top end and keep your OEM slide for Production.
I’d have to say I’ve taken a liking to the shorter Berettas, Compact and Centurion. They just balance better for me. But I do prefer them in .40 cal.
Pardon the terrible photos.
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Man, Berettas really are beautiful guns. Ngl though, they're kinda pricey
Those custom built guns are a lot of money for what you get, stoeger canada has the beretta extreme s kits that they used in the 92x performance. Included in the kit is the dlc costed short reset trigger bar like Langdon's and Stoeger also has the Beretta adjustable trigger which is the same as Wilsons short reach but has screws for over travel and pretravel (pretravel screw is really only needed on SA only guns ) combine those with a Wilson 12lb or Wolff 13lb hammer spring and you will have a pretty sick trigger, a Cylinder & Slide match sear will make a slight difference in the crispness of the break but IMO the difference is not really worth the extra cost.
Here is my 92X centurian, with xtreme s kit, adjustable trigger, 12lb hammer spring, cyl & slide match sear.
Here is my 92X centurian, with xtreme s kit, adjustable trigger, 12lb hammer spring, cyl & slide match sear.
