Win 94 AE XTR .307

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Looking at one of these as a possible purchase. The gun is in very nice condition and the bore is excellent. What would one expect to pay for a rifle like this? I expect that the number manufactured and their popularity/utility would be the main factors. Any general comments on this gun are most certainly welcome too.
 
woodlotowner said:
Looking at one of these as a possible purchase. The gun is in very nice condition and the bore is excellent. What would one expect to pay for a rifle like this? I expect that the number manufactured and their popularity/utility would be the main factors. Any general comments on this gun are most certainly welcome too.
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Like the other introduced calibers in it's time,not overly popular.Tube magazine hurts bullet choices for the 307W. With the new choices in 30-30,not sure if the 307W does anymore than the 30-30. If inexcellent condition,I'd say in the $500 range.
 
Thanks gents. That helps. I concur with the .300 savage comment in terms of ballistics. I think this gun was developed to give 94 lovers the performance of the .300 savage, but its introduction was overwhelmed by the move to bolt and pump guns about that time in history. If anyone owns one please weigh in here with your anecdotal comments.

Woodlotowner
 
You'd best find ammo or brass first. Gagnon Sports, in Oshawa, lists it at $47.99 per 20 and it's a special order only. Epp's, of course, does too.
The rifle is just a short lived variation of the Win 94. Nothing special.
 
When I am just goofing around I use 308 winchester in it all the time without any trouble just load one at a time. When I go hunting I use 307 stuff that I load so that I can fill the tube and don't run the risk of an empty sticking.
 
billdick said:
When I am just goofing around I use 308 winchester in it all the time without any trouble just load one at a time. When I go hunting I use 307 stuff that I load so that I can fill the tube and don't run the risk of an empty sticking.
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You shoot .308 Win cartridges in your .307 Win rifle?
 
bcsteve said:
You shoot .308 Win cartridges in your .307 Win rifle?
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Here are the differences. I have a 307 and would not shoot 308 in it. However it's only because I am unsure of the consequences.

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The .307 is the same case as the .308 Win. but is a rimmed case and when loaded properly it is very close to the .308 in power. I have it's big brother the .356 Win., same thing here, same as the .358 Win. but with a rimmed case. I like the rifle and those 2 calibers, you just have to reload for ammo down the road.
 
I'm thinking I will practice and plink with .308 brass in the .307, since everything I have read suggests that, if loaded properly, the .308 will work fine one at a time. The Hodgdon site shows the .307 to be several grains less for a comparable bullet masses, and this is in keeping with the reduced loads appropriate to the .307. I will simply load down to .307 starting loads in a .308 case. For hunting, of course, one would never use the .308, but I have read where some Win 94 owners have discovered that their .307 rifles will feed, fire, and eject .308 just fine. I guess it depends on the individual ejectors in those guns being able to grasp the case. Worth a try.

Ever tried .358 in your .356, Ben?
 
woodlotowner said:
Any general comments on this gun are most certainly welcome too.
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You need to ask yourself what advantages does this rifle offers over a Savage 99 or BLR in 308.

"None" is the answer, in fact the 307 has a few significant deficits over the two aforementioned rifles. Maybe that's why it's for sale.

- Far more expensive ammo.
- Hard to find ammo and reloading components. 308 is everywhere.
- Far less ammo versatility as the 307 requires flat nose bullets.
- The 308 very easily surpasses the 307 in the ballistic dept.

I'd pass on it.

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SuperCub said:
You need to ask yourself what advantages does this rifle offers over a Savage 99 or BLR in 308.

"None" is the answer, in fact the 307 has a few significant deficits over the two aforementioned rifles. Maybe that's why it's for sale.

- Far more expensive ammo.
- Hard to find ammo and reloading components. 308 is everywhere.
- Far less ammo versatility as the 307 requires flat nose bullets.
- The 308 very easily surpasses the 307 in the ballistic dept.

I'd pass on it.

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Good points all, SC, but there is one important plus. It's a Model 94, and some people just love 'em. That has to be factored in. Also, though pricier, ammo and brass are still in production.
 
SuperCub said:
You need to ask yourself what advantages does this rifle offers over a Savage 99 or BLR in 308.

"None" is the answer, in fact the 307 has a few significant deficits over the two aforementioned rifles. Maybe that's why it's for sale.

- Far more expensive ammo.
- Hard to find ammo and reloading components. 308 is everywhere.
- Far less ammo versatility as the 307 requires flat nose bullets.
- The 308 very easily surpasses the 307 in the ballistic dept.

I'd pass on it.

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Advantages over BLR...The guts don't come out of the 94 when you cycle the action
Advantages over Savage 99...The 99 is uglier than the Devil on Sunday
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I too don't like the extra long action of the 99 or the gearbox on the BLR, there's just something right about the look and feel of the 94. I also prefer the heavy cast flatpoints for game, so for me this gun is tops.
 
I like "different" cartridges myself, so I would probably give the .307 a try. The Winchester 94 in .307 Win with the Hornady 160gr FTX or 140gr Monoflex would make a great hunting package.
 
SuperCub said:
You need to ask yourself what advantages does this rifle offers over a Savage 99 or BLR in 308.

"None" is the answer, in fact the 307 has a few significant deficits over the two aforementioned rifles. Maybe that's why it's for sale.

- Far more expensive ammo.
- Hard to find ammo and reloading components. 308 is everywhere.
- Far less ammo versatility as the 307 requires flat nose bullets.
- The 308 very easily surpasses the 307 in the ballistic dept.

I'd pass on it.

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Advantages are diminished for those willing to handoad thier own.

Powders & primers the same, only dies, brass and bullets differ. The shellholder is the exact same one for 30-30.
A handloader tends to save his brass for reuse over & over again. (as if this was not in the brain already)
Flat nosed bullets (this is a hunting rifle most likely used at normal hunting ranges) only enhance knockdown on live game.
In a cash tight situation, others mention using 308 single loaded into the chamber, I bet the reverse is not true.

For the hunter who has to have a Model 94 with the most steam, it's a pretty good deal IMO.

to each his own
 
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bcsteve said:
I like "different" cartridges myself, so I would probably give the .307 a try. The Winchester 94 in .307 Win with the Hornady 160gr FTX or 140gr Monoflex would make a great hunting package.
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I emailed Hornady and they are thinking about factory loading the .307. Just food for thought.
 
They may have to change the FTX a bit to load the .307; the reason they gave for creating the .308 Marlin (by pushing the shoulder of the .307 back about .1 inch) was that the FTX bullet, developed originally for the .30-30, could not be loaded into the .307 case without either intruding too deeply into the powder space or creating a cartridge with an OAL so long it wouldn't feed through the action. The original game plan had been to load the .307 and chamber it in Marlin rifles.
 
Kilo Charlie said:
They may have to change the FTX a bit to load the .307; the reason they gave for creating the .308 Marlin (by pushing the shoulder of the .307 back about .1 inch) was that the FTX bullet, developed originally for the .30-30, could not be loaded into the .307 case without either intruding too deeply into the powder space or creating a cartridge with an OAL so long it wouldn't feed through the action. The original game plan had been to load the .307 and chamber it in Marlin rifles.
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Yes, however now they have the new Mono-flex bullet in 140 gr. Maybe that's what they are thinking. Also they have a loading chart for the .307 with ftx bullets.
 
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