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Wow did I ever see a fine old shotgun today, a daimond grade skeet in 12 gauge with some kind of porting on the barrels. Pretty wood although it looks as though there is a deep rub mark on either side of the butt stock. Nice high rib, and in fine condition for a gun less than $1700.00. FS
 
To me that sounds like a bit much for what amounts to a tarted up Winchester 101 with moderately nicer wood and machine engraving. But it's a Winchester and people will pay more just for just about anything carrying the flying red "W".

Prices jump sharply in the subgauges on these guns. I had a Winchester Diamond Grade in 28 gauge that I bought for my wife to use if she wanted to take up shooting. Nice gun and when she decided she'd rather spend her free time riding her horses instead of shooting it was easy enough to sell without losing money.

There is a 28 gauge Diamond Grade Skeet on the EE currently. It looks nice but judge for yourself if you would pay $3,200 for a Japanese-made gun with fixed chokes on a 20 gauge frame.
 
I think that fellow with the 28 gauge is going to have that gun for a long time at $3200.00 and yes they aren't worth what some folks will ask for them in my opinion, but it nice to see them. Not much skeet shooting going on here in western Canada, these guns new were fairly expensive I believe.FS
 
I had a Win. 101 Diamond Trap 32" I used for Sporting Clays ...
good gun, but IMHO not a "fine gun" ... just another 101,
albeit with nicer wood. The "Classic Doubles" version of the
101's were IMHO much better ... had one each in Skeet 12 & 20,
as well as a 4-barrel Skeet set.

As to price ... condition is everything... but in 90 percent or
better, a 12 ga. 101 Diamond Skeet is probably in the 1200
range, small gauges 300 - 400 more. A buddy picked up a
"like-new" cased 4 barrel Diamond Skeet about a year ago ...
as I recall about 5,000.
 
beretta boy said:
The "Classic Doubles" version of the
101's were IMHO much better ...
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They were much nicer but oddly enough not as desirable without the magic name stamped on the barrel.

The Winchester 101, 23 and the very last editions of the Model 12 are the guns that prove the presence of that name causes many shooters to take leave of their senses.

I've owned two 101's, the aforementioned Diamond Grade, and a standard grade 3 barrel skeet set. The later gun was my first venture into subgauges. I shot it, learned a lot and sold it for what I had in it. Last I heard the person who bought it from me flipped it to a dealer who was asking double what I paid for it.

There was a three barrel Pigeon Grade set at a dealers a couple years ago. There were not many of these sets made in this grade but the condition of this set was awful. It was north of $3,000 and someone eventually bought it.

Show someone a Classic Doubles they are wary. Show them a Nikko and they reject it out of hand. Show them a 101 and they reach for their wallet. The Classic Doubles, Nikko and the Winchester 101 are the same guns, made in the same place by the same people.

Never underestimate the magic of a name.
 
Yup ... that's about the way it is. But I'll grab the Classics Double every time.
Still regret not picking up a Classics 201 (SxS) in 20 gauge when I had the chance. I liked it better than the 23's !

The other nice 101 I owned was a "American Flyer - Live Bird" 2 Barrel set.
A little rare ... 1 of (reportedly) only 52 ... with choke tubes in both the top & bottom barrels of both sets. Pretty gun ! Only ever saw one other, a 30" Live Flyer another fellow had.
 
Doing some subsequent research on this skeet gun, it turn out it is an Olympic model with 27 1/2 inch barrel, and factory ported, not that that seems to mean much on the value in todays market, except in the uSA of course. FS
 
Fassteel said:
Well then Henry why do the call it the Olmpic model?
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There are two possible reasons. Winchester was stupid and Krieghoff remains stupid because their International version of the K-80 Skeet is also ported.

Or because Henry is mistaken.

ISSF regulation on ported barrels.

9.4.2.6
Ported Barrels

9.4.2.6.1
Ported barrels are acceptable provided the shooter has them inspected by the Jury prior to the start of the competition and they are found to meet ISSF requirements.
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Shotgun specific rules:

http://www.issf-shooting.org/rules/english/2006/27_shotgun_2005_2nd.html

All the rules:

http://www.issf-shooting.org/rules/english/rules.asp
 
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:confused: Rules do change! It is called a brain phart when one forgets something new.:bangHead: it is a polite way to say one is getting on.:rolleyes:
My mistake!
Henry
 
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