Win Pre 64 mod 94... Stock refinish or no?

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I have a pre 64 Mod 94 30-30 I've been debating refinishing the stock on.

Based on serial number, the gun dates to 1951. The bluing isn't the best, but it's not bad. The stock isn't terrible either but could use a face life. I enjoy redoing stocks in the winter months and was basically wondering if it would be bad for value to redo the stock?

I am still on the fence about keeping this gun forever. I know some people say that if I'm to keep it forever the who cares? But I might still decide to sell it.

Anyways, thanks for any input.

IS
 
To me it seems there are so many 30-30 94's out there and they are only $300-400 tops for a normal model and there isn't much collector value, why not have it the way you want it.
 
On that gun a nicely finished stock will make it easier to look at and if you decide to, easier to sell. Too many of those around to be a serious collector item. Make it purdy and enjoy it.
 
"...there are so many 30-30 94's out there..." Not pre-64's there aren't. Post 64 94's have no collector value, but pre-64's do.
Doing anything to a pre-64 will drop its collector value by half.
 
True enough unless its already in rough enough shape a collector wont buy it anyways. Collectors like the minty stuff. Well used-not so much.
 
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Not a great pic...

Pretty much some of the varnish or whatever has worn off, so it's quite dull in some places, and right shiny in others... I suppose I will just leave it alone for now and shoot it.
 
I'm in the crowd that says there is no collector value in the rifle he has, a well used 1951 Model 94 30-30.
I too, enjoy redoing stocks and the way you describe it I would refinish it in tung oil. If you put on the right number of coats, a tung oil stock ends up looking very much like the original finish.
The way you describe the bluing I might even touch that up!
I would rather have it to sell after doing the work, than before.
Just wondering, was the 1951 drilled and tapped for an aperature sight?
 
I would suggest leaving the rifle as is. It has a well earned honest appearance and a soul that only the passing of time and useage will give. I like the look of an honest rifle that has the character of being used and cared for over many decades. Many a gun guy has attempted to duplicate this look, your rifle has, but most fail and end up with just another tacky looking refinished 94 advertised for sale, and worth a fraction of what your's is worth. Whether you realize it or not, the condition of your rifle, if it has a decent bore, is valued by Winchester collectors. They love an honest rifle with the character of honest cared for useage and wouldn't cross the street for it if you refinished and made it look all nice and pretty.

Clean it, maintain it and cherish it for what it is. You what a shiney one, lots of them for sale at a bargain.
 
There were over a million pre-64 carbines produced and they will never be rare collectibles unless you have one that is in mint condition. A good oil finish won't hurt the value a bit as it is already a well used hunting gun. Just don't sand the crap out of the wood so the inletting looks lousy. Like one poster said, you can practically duplicate the original varnish's appearance if you are careful.
 
I would suggest leaving the rifle as is. It has a well earned honest appearance and a soul that only the passing of time and useage will give. I like the look of an honest rifle that has the character of being used and cared for over many decades. Many a gun guy has attempted to duplicate this look, your rifle has, but most fail and end up with just another tacky looking refinished 94 advertised for sale, and worth a fraction of what your's is worth. Whether you realize it or not, the condition of your rifle, if it has a decent bore, is valued by Winchester collectors. They love an honest rifle with the character of honest cared for useage and wouldn't cross the street for it if you refinished and made it look all nice and pretty.

Clean it, maintain it and cherish it for what it is. You what a shiney one, lots of them for sale at a bargain.

Thanks Rod! It is nice to here from a Winchester collector and someone who actually knows what he is talking about.
 
I would suggest leaving the rifle as is. It has a well earned honest appearance and a soul that only the passing of time and useage will give. I like the look of an honest rifle that has the character of being used and cared for over many decades. Many a gun guy has attempted to duplicate this look, your rifle has, but most fail and end up with just another tacky looking refinished 94 advertised for sale, and worth a fraction of what your's is worth. Whether you realize it or not, the condition of your rifle, if it has a decent bore, is valued by Winchester collectors. They love an honest rifle with the character of honest cared for useage and wouldn't cross the street for it if you refinished and made it look all nice and pretty.

Clean it, maintain it and cherish it for what it is. You what a shiney one, lots of them for sale at a bargain.

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Yep...

Thanks for the input. I will leave her as is. I've shot it, and man oh man! I love it. I can't wait for deer season! I was nailing clay's at 50m no problem. It's a great little gun, and for what it cost me, I won't be complaining any time soon.
 
Looks like I don't kow what I am talking about, either. But I do have some idea of prices and the post had to do with the price the rifle would be worth now, as opposed to after the stock was redone.
There are so many 94 30-30s, pre 64 and otherwise, changing hands that the Winchester 94 in 30-30 is one of the easiest of used rifles to appraise.
The one in the picture will be in the $350 range. A seller might start out at $400, but in today's market, it most likely wouldn't sell for that.
So a nice job of putting an oil finish on the stock is completed, now what is it worth.
$350. A seller could start at $400, but in todays market it most likely wouldn't sell for that.
So why do it? In the first post it was stated that he liked finishing stocks for something to do in the winter.
 
Looks like I don't kow what I am talking about, either.

I wont argue that fact.

There are so many 94 30-30s, pre 64 and otherwise, changing hands that the Winchester 94 in 30-30 is one of the easiest of used rifles to appraise.

You are correct, there are many out there, most of which have been screwed with in one way or another(or beaten beyond any worth) which has set the average price around here at the prices you mentioned. Find me a completely unmolested pre 64 model 94 for $350 in decent shape and I will likely buy it right now. That means, no refinishing on the wood, no extra holes drilled and tapped, no re bluing jobs, and no aftermarket recoil pads added, and all origional parts that it came with from the factory included.

The one in the picture will be in the $350 range. A seller might start out at $400, but in today's market, it most likely wouldn't sell for that.

You can not tell that from one poorly taken picture(sorry Infantry-Soldier). I would want to see much more detailed pictures or see it in my hands before I made that assumption.

I watch Winchester prices from around North America, not just here on CGN. For instance, the last gun show I was at, Unmolested but used and complete pre 64 94's in 30-30 were selling for $650-$800 dollars. And yes, there were people buying them. Are they worth that? Demand would answer that question, and I witnessed cash changing hands more than once.

Pre 64 Winchesters are getting harder and harder to find in unmolested condition. IMO a used pre 64 94 in original form that has been taken care of and has all its original parts is worth quite a bit more than one that has had a refinish job or has had a drill and tap taken to it. Most Winchester collectors would agree...

So why do it? In the first post it was stated that he liked finishing stocks for something to do in the winter

My response to that statement would be grab a $50 Cooey from the EE or a cheap Husky from Trade Ex and refinish the heck out of it. You will likely increase the value by doing so. But you will do nothing but decrease the value of a decent pre 64 Winchester by taking sand paper to it, unless it is beaten up beyond having any value.

Rod, being a Winchester collector himself said it best so I will quote him again:

I would suggest leaving the rifle as is. It has a well earned honest appearance and a soul that only the passing of time and useage will give. I like the look of an honest rifle that has the character of being used and cared for over many decades. Many a gun guy has attempted to duplicate this look, your rifle has, but most fail and end up with just another tacky looking refinished 94 advertised for sale, and worth a fraction of what your's is worth. Whether you realize it or not, the condition of your rifle, if it has a decent bore, is valued by Winchester collectors. They love an honest rifle with the character of honest cared for useage and wouldn't cross the street for it if you refinished and made it look all nice and pretty.

Clean it, maintain it and cherish it for what it is. You what a shiney one, lots of them for sale at a bargain.
 
These 1894's were a very popular firearm that saw a tremendous amount of use over the last 117 years. Honest wear on an 1894 is cherished and adds to the character of the rifle. Decades of a rifle being used and cared for, cleaned and wiped down after use will, over time, produce a look that collectors appreciate. If the bore is dark and pitted and the exterior metal full of pits and the wood all beat up, that's not honest wear but neglect and abuse. You go sanding and varnishing and buggering up screw heads you've just turned that shiney little winter project into the class of the majority. $225 to $375.

From 1894 to 1963, Winchester manufactured 2,586,000 1894 rifles and carbines with the pre-war models having a premium over the post war models and saddle ring carbines having a premium over the regular carbines. The big premiums are the surviviors from the 2,586,000 1894's that remain in original condition and the ones remaining in decent shape will command a price far above the rest. $650 to $850 is not uncommon and more for calibers like 38-55, 25-35, 32-40 etc. Not uncommon to see an early decent shape original 1894 rifle in 38-55 sell for $1000 to $1250. A post war pre-64 carbine in very good original conditon with a good bore and bluing wear with original varnish wore off and darking of the wood in these places from handling is just the rifle that'll bring a premium over the varnished up $350 specials that so many folks seem to own. Just about every gun show I attend usually has an assortment of these shiney little gems to choose from. But every once and blue moon there on a table, if you're early enough, lies an original 1894 Winchester in real nice unmolested, unvarnished up condition and it ain't priced at no $350. More for the best and less for the rest.

Here's one that seems like a good deal . . http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=557579
 
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Thanks Rod

There is wear on the wood from being used... And wear on the bluing... Some scratches and whatnot, but nothing too serious.

Thanks for your information. I'll leave the gun unmolested, and take out my stock refinishing urges on my cheap cooeys instead. :D
 
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