Winches

[Demonical]

Not really a hunting question but this seems about the best forum for this topic; I want to buy a Warn XD9i winch and set up a receiver mount, on my F250.

Which business(es) in Edmonton have guys had experience with and which would guys recommend? I want good pricing and service obviously.

 

[Jeepguy]

try take it offroad they are located just off the yellowhead. also check edmontonjeep.com and see if there is any info there

 

[Boomer]

The XD9i might be a better choice than the one I bought. My 9.5ti came with a very heavy free spool, so I sent it out to Drive Products in Calgary for warranty, but it came back the same, so there must be something a little different in the design from the older models I've used. We had a Warn M12000 on one of our work trucks and I think a larger winch might be a better choice for a full size truck, although it depends on the type of conditions you face. On our new work truck we have the Warn Power Plant HD, a cool idea that combines an air compressor and a winch into a single package. Guess what though, this one has a heavy free spool as well, but not as heavy as my 9.5ti.

 

[Demonical]

Boomer, I talked to a guy at InteriorOffRoad in Edmonton and he told me I would be nuts to put the XD9i (or any receiver winch) on my F250 Superduty. He says my truck is way too heavy for a 9000lb winch, and the receiver mounts are not near strong enough. He said a rear mounted receiver 9000lb winch could be just okay to pull me out backwards.

Then he also said the minimum winch I should look at is the M12000 and I should mount it on a fixed front bumper. The thing weighs 140lbs, imagine you would not want to wrestle that thing into a receiver set-up!

And I believed the guy.

But the M12000 is $2555 and that doesn't include the bumper. A bare bones bumper is another $1200... so I dunno... like $4400 or something, all-in with taxes and such.

I'm thinking I might get the M12000 and then get a buddy to weld up a bumper for me.

JeepGuy, can you perform that kinda stuff? Do you have a welder? Give me a shout, eh!?

 

[dan belisle]

Take the work weight of your truck (loaded, gas/diesel full, whatever else you may carry off road, fat chicks, whatever) and multiply by 1.5. That's the pulling strength of the winch you'll need. I had a J10 Jeep that weighed in around 6000, and I ran an 8274 Warn. Worked ok, but I had to be careful with rigging and angles (which you should anyway). I don't have the truck anymore (looking for another actually, but want a J20 this time), but I still have the winch. I would agree with the guy about the receiver mounts. The ones I've handled really didn't seem up to any real HD work. I could be wrong though, I never broke one. FWIW - dan

 

[Boomer]

Boomer, I talked to a guy at InteriorOffRoad in Edmonton and he told me I would be nuts to put the XD9i (or any receiver winch) on my F250 Superduty. He says my truck is way too heavy for a 9000lb winch, and the receiver mounts are not near strong enough. He said a rear mounted receiver 9000lb winch could be just okay to pull me out backwards.

Then he also said the minimum winch I should look at is the M12000 and I should mount it on a fixed front bumper. The thing weighs 140lbs, imagine you would not want to wrestle that thing into a receiver set-up!

And I believed the guy.

But the M12000 is $2555 and that doesn't include the bumper. A bare bones bumper is another $1200... so I dunno... like $4400 or something, all-in with taxes and such.

I'm thinking I might get the M12000 and then get a buddy to weld up a bumper for me.

JeepGuy, can you perform that kinda stuff? Do you have a welder? Give me a shout, eh!?

I don't think any winch connected to a receiver hitch by a pin is a good idea. The pin is rated for about 5000 pounds and even a winch with a light rating can exceed that under the right circumstances, particularly if you have to use a pulley block to overcome the increased rolling resistance of being stuck. When I have to winch out backwards I use a jack and a Jack-Mate.

I think you will be happy with the M12000.

 

[bobbyjack]

I just knew you was talking about my secound wife,but now I see it was Winches! Not witches or wenches! Sorry Bob

 

[Jeepguy]

let me know how the search goes and then we can figure out what to make and or fab from there big guy

 

[Hotwheels81]

let me know how the search goes and then we can figure out what to make and or fab from there big guy

ht tp://ww w.roadarmor.com/site/ford/

always had a thing for road armors product...

make sure you put clevice mounts on it.... even with a winch you still need a decent tow point.

 

[pointandshoot]

what year is your truck? i had a hidden setup with a m10000 on my old 90 f150. there was
surprisingly a lot of room to tuck it up behind the bumper with a lot of chassis to work with to secure it. i would of put it on my 04 f350 diesel however there is no room to tuck it behind the bumper and i really didn't use the winch that much (maybe 3 times in 2 years...and mostly just because it was there). have you looked at any
hydraulic setups?

 

[crazy_davey]

Boomer, I talked to a guy at InteriorOffRoad in Edmonton and he told me I would be nuts to put the XD9i (or any receiver winch) on my F250 Superduty. He says my truck is way too heavy for a 9000lb winch, and the receiver mounts are not near strong enough. He said a rear mounted receiver 9000lb winch could be just okay to pull me out backwards.

Then he also said the minimum winch I should look at is the M12000 and I should mount it on a fixed front bumper. The thing weighs 140lbs, imagine you would not want to wrestle that thing into a receiver set-up!

And I believed the guy.

If you want to use a proper winch set up for your truck, The guy from Interior was correct.

 

[crazy_davey]

make sure you put clevice mounts on it.... even with a winch you still need a decent tow point.

If you are going to have clevis mounts added to any bumper be sure that they are added correctly. IMO a clevis mount should be put on horizontal not vertical. The reason being is that if they are mounted vertically, any sideways pull on them will put lots of strain on the clevis as well as the mount and weld.

In this picture you can see some vertical mounted clevis mounts.

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Mounting them the opposite way(turn 90 degrees) from above will take away allot of the stress off of the clevis, weld and mount if there is ever any sideways pull, which in the bush there almost always is. Anyone who has ever spent anytime doing off road recovery will know that there is almost never a 100% truly straight pull, especially when winching.

 

[Demonical]

I searched around for a Warn M12000 online and I was able to find one advertised on Kijiji for $1,100.


The story of Dan...

I phoned this guy named Dan and he said he still had the winch, and it was in mint condition. He had planned to build a full-out monster 4x4 but then he contracted MS and the winch has sat in his shed for 6 years.
So he asked if I would give him $1000 and a case of beer. I said that sounded okay, as long as the winch was as described (these things sell for $2500+ new).

Drove out to his place yesterday. First thing you see when you roll up is a huge pile of matched elk sheds. I think the smallest set was in the 300" range and he had one set that went estimated 400" B&C. Those things are jaw dropping!

So I meet this Dan and he was just the nicest guy you would ever meet. He says he's content with what life has thrown at him. He is only 32 years old and already that goddamn MS is screwing up his ability to walk but he didn't complain.
Dan showed me a picture of a 174" whitetail he had shot when he was 16. Today he doesn't hunt but he likes to go out in the bush and bugle bull elk just to see them, says he hasn't shot anything in years, that it doesn't interest him now.
He carves up those huge elk sheds into crafts, which he sells at the farmers market. When I gave him the $1000 he said, "Man I haven't seen that much money in a long time!"
So I collected the winch and we drove away, I had not bought the case of beer and my wife said that we should. So I drove back to town picked up a 30 pack of Budweisers and drove back out to his place and gave him those beers.

The world is full of losers, #######s that molest children, sell drugs to minors, rob, cheat and steal and a guy like this gets MS. It is bull####. ####ing nicest guy I have run into in years. I fell fortunate to have met Dan.

 

[dan belisle]

Perhaps "Dan" would be interested in carving some of those elk antlers into handgun grips, and a few more of us CGN folk could try and help out a tad. Could be a business opportunity for him, I'd spring for some. - dan

 

[Demonical]

Dan I will check that out! Great idea!


Edit:
I phoned Dan and ran that idea by him and he says he would give it a shot.

Anybody interested in contacting Dan, PM me. Thanks.

 

[Jeeped]

Take the work weight of your truck (loaded, gas/diesel full, whatever else you may carry off road, fat chicks, whatever) and multiply by 1.5. That's the pulling strength of the winch you'll need.

Don't forget winds. The rated pull of a winch is typically on the first wind. By the time you are on your last wrap, it could easily be half of the prime rating.

Don't forget a snatch block c/w tree-saver and ensure you have at least 4 tow points.

For my purposes, I got a Costco special for my TJ. Rated 9000lbs on first wind for 400 bucks. Came with mounting, fairling, remote and snatch block. I put the extrs $'s into synthetic 'no-stretch' cable. I've pulled myself out of trouble several times and other 4×'s even more so.

Just my 2¢.

 

[dan belisle]

And a good 2 cents it is. Most people forget the wind count. - dan