I have a butler creek folding wire on my mossberg. Its tough, been through hell. There is a smidge of play when its folded, but the vee is cut deeper so there is no play at all when opened up. You cant beat a folder in my opinion for tight brush, and going through slashes. Im short, 5'6", if I had a conventional stock id be snagging on every stump and log i came within ten feet of. the pistol grip is the most comfortable Ive ever fealt and cas a compartment inside which is perfect for keeping the registration. I must say though, the cheek area of the wire is too high for aimed shots, you gotta squeeze your cheek in there quite hard and shooting hot loads is uncomfortabe and bruises. It can be fixed with a torch though quite easily. Actually I always forget about it and Im going to do it today.