Winchester 1886 45-70 value/qns

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I have an Winchester 1886 in 45-70. I'm trying to decide if I should put it on the EE and I really have no idea what it is worth. Serial # puts it at 1894. It is 1/2 round/1/2 Octagonal. Barrel is about 600mm...measuring it freehand with a tape. Besides the normal dings etc there are no cracks in the stock. Any suggests? I figured it should go in here more that hunting rifles.

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I don't know what it is supposed to look like to start with but I can see rifling and it seems shiny but not really bright. I does need to be cleaned which I'll do tomorrow. Anything else I should know about it? I'm going to take a few shots with it tomorrow.

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If it hasn't been screwed with, a mininum of 3k to as much as 5k +/-, but a lot has to be checked out, and for Christ's sake, she was made in inches so please measure in inches:p
 
A major factor is whether it has been altered or messed with. The following will slash the value in half or more: sanded or refinished wood, re-blued metal, shortened barrel, shortened mag tube. From what I can see in the photos, I cannot see any evidence for alterations, although the barrel length would need to be carefully measured in inches and compared to the factory information from Cody. There are so many altered Winchesters out there, it isn't funny, so the Cody information can either raise the value of your gun or expose it as messed with. You have a special order Winchester with its half octagon barrel and half mag, which does raise the value, and it is in a desirable caliber. For Pete's sake, do not mess with it. As for value, that is tough to say. It depends hugely on the original condition. From what I can see in the photos, you would have a 'brown gun' where the original blue has been replaced with a dark patina. This puts your rifle at the low end of what an all original '86 would be worth. As for value, there are more knowledgeable people on this forum than I. I traded away a similar 86 a little less than year ago for about $2,500. However, mine was a full octagon half mag made in 1904. Yours is a half octagon half mag, which increases its value and yours was made pre-1898 with a case-hardened frame, which also increases its value. On the other hand, I've seen some '86's sold more recently for quite a bit lower than what I would have expected. When all is said and done, assuming your gun has not been messed with, and assuming it letters with the Cody factory information, and given it has a half octagon barrel in 45-70, and assuming it has a good bore and mechanics (which I don't know if it does) if it were mine, I would not let it go for less than $3,000. It might be worth more depending upon how nice the original finish is on the barrel and mag tube. Like I said before, there are others here who have a better idea of its value. I'm just giving you my own thinking on it.
 
For a special order Winchester 1886 like yours, the cost of a Cody letter can often be recouped in the sale, since people will be more confident that it is original. If I have a letter, I also include it with the rifle when I sell it.
 
I am going to give them a call tomorrow. On the plus side it works great. I just fired 6 shots from it without a hitch. The bore is excellent in it from what I can see. Now that I've removed the dust from the barrel it is really shiny, no pitting that I can see. I was amazed at how nice it looks for its age.
 
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A bunch of people have pm'd me asking qns about this. The barrel is 23" exactly from the front of the receiver to the end of the barrel. I didn't measure it from the start of the barrel threads, just from the receiver to the end. Serial # is 879XX. Shoots great. I was just shooting at a 1 gallon jug at 100 yards. I know, not very scientific but I hit one every shot. There is a small crack in butt stock at the bottom of it.
 
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Hey chemist, you have something of value for sure, be very very careful on your pricing, alot of s**t rats ie, so called professional wheeler dealer c**ks***ers will try to get it off of you for nothing, then flip it for a tidy profit. The cody letter will definitely verify your prize and clear up any discrepancies if there are any. Check out some American sites, google can be your friend. I say again over, be VERY VERY careful..... well you know, good luck and keep us posted in what you find.
 
Cody letter will confirm as said above and in this case, is worth the wait and required to verify for both your selling price and comfort level of purchasers. Although 26in was standard, special order barrels as with the one you have could be had in 20, 22 and 24 inches. Although yours would effectively be considered to be 24 in (as you didn't measure to the end of the threads in the receiver, keep in mind that '86 barrels tended to be 1/8 in shorter than specified length. Looks like one of the 'extra lightweight' s
 
If she turns out to be an authentic 24" half mag. specimen, you will be in the $7500 and up range. If she's been cut you got a $1200-$1500 shooter. let's hope for the positive result when you get the Cody birth certificate.

Or you can post it here for an evaluation after you sign up

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I have an Winchester 1886 in 45-70. I'm trying to decide if I should put it on the EE and I really have no idea what it is worth. Serial # puts it at 1894. It is 1/2 round/1/2 Octagonal. Barrel is about 600mm...measuring it freehand with a tape. Besides the normal dings etc there are no cracks in the stock. Any suggests? I figured it should go in here more that hunting rifles.

Although I was not there, I have heard this 86 in 45-90 just sold for $6500 at the Simpsons Auction in Ontario

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You can look at the pics and then yours and compare both.Also it is NOT an extra Light, Extra Light 45-70's only come in 22" barrels. 33WCF's came with 24" barrels. Your mag cap is not correct for a 1/2 mag gun. The cap top looks flat from the pics and should be round nosed. The flat cap goes on a full length mag which yours is not. You can also go to the Cabela's gun library and compare your condition with theirs as well as price
 
You can look at the pics and then yours and compare both.Also it is NOT an extra Light, Extra Light 45-70's only come in 22" barrels. 33WCF's came with 24" barrels. Your mag cap is not correct for a 1/2 mag gun. The cap top looks flat from the pics and should be round nosed. The flat cap goes on a full length mag which yours is not. You can also go to the Cabela's gun library and compare your condition with theirs as well as price

Thats good comparison Meanea, thanks for the clarification on the extra light, barrel lengths and calibres. Going back through Madis, I didn't read it slowly enough. It looks pretty good, but if the mag tube was just shortened, then the possibility is that either a) the original mag tube was lost/damaged replaced with a cutdown or b) barrel was cut and mag tube cut to half mag.....I sure hope that's not the case.
 
Meanea, that is a beautiful 86. One's like that are called high condition thus the high price. It still has most of it's colour case on the action which wore off really fast. The letter is the way to go for the other fellow. I would be leary of any Winchester with an odd barrel length( 21,23,25 inches etc.). The only ones I've seen had been cut.
 
Although I was not there, I have heard this 86 in 45-90 just sold for $6500 at the Simpsons Auction in Ontario

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You can look at the pics and then yours and compare both.Also it is NOT an extra Light, Extra Light 45-70's only come in 22" barrels. 33WCF's came with 24" barrels. Your mag cap is not correct for a 1/2 mag gun. The cap top looks flat from the pics and should be round nosed. The flat cap goes on a full length mag which yours is not. You can also go to the Cabela's gun library and compare your condition with theirs as well as price

Hey Meanea, that is correct, the gun went for $6400 and with bidder fee and taxes that's over $8K. The question you must ask is that gun worth it? The only reason the gun went that high is because there were 2 bidders on it and at one point in the bidding like most auctions it becomes a game and the bidder decides to pay whatever to get the gun. It is a good gun, by the pictures, but ask yourself would you pay that kind of money for that gun without seeing it? It was a telephone bidder that got the gun. Another point is sold means SOLD at this auction and no return. Risky business when there is no inspection period.

I am also surprised that some of the CGN members that are members of the WCA and CFM have not offered to letter the 86 22" barrel rifle for Chemist. It would save him $75 and these members know they can get free faxed or e-mail confirmation for the gun. I am sure Chemist would PM the serial number to a member. I have done my share for members in the past in an effort to help out new collectors and CGN members.

Just my comments to this thread

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