Winchester 1903

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Hey there. I was just wondering how common these rifles are. I posted this in milsurp rather than rimfire because I know they were used for training purposes. I have yet to find a source of ammunition as well and was wondering if anybody knows where I might find some. Thanks for any help that can be given.


Scott
 
Thanks for the info. The only ammo I ever found was an unopened box on an auction site for a starting bid of 300 dollars. Needless to say I never bought it. I wonder if anything can be done as far as rechambering to fit a .22lr.


Scott
 
Thanks for the info. The only ammo I ever found was an unopened box on an auction site for a starting bid of 300 dollars. Needless to say I never bought it. I wonder if anything can be done as far as rechambering to fit a .22lr.


Scott

That's the problem when buy some of these old obscure rifles. You might try reloading for it if that's possible. Try posting in the Ammo/handloading forums. I doubt you could rebarrel to .22LR - its not just a barrel issue but the bolt etc.

Good luck and keep us posted please.
 
I never bought the rifle, its been in the family for years. I've had it for over a decade now. When I was younger I always wondered why a .22lr case would split open and not eject when fired. Now I know. The case the chambers were designed for is 20 thou larger in diameter than a .22lr. Reloading is not an option because they still are a rimfire.


Scott
 
IIRC the Model 1903 became the Model '03 became the Model 63 when it was modded to handle regular .22LR. The 63 was manufactured up until the middle 1960s at least, so there should be parts around somewhere.

I believe that Old Western Scrounger in the Excited States has ammo manufactured for these from time to time. Ammo was made and listed in Canada until 1968, the Terrible Year That IVI De-Listed Half the World. CIL had been making money making all these old-time calibres, but IVI just wanted the Government business, so they de-listed the vast bulk of the CIL line-up, all the way to the point where they offered only TWO handgun calibres (9mm and .38 Special) and then restricted 9mm to military use and told us that 38 Special was only for the police. They also did away with .43 Mauser, .455 Colt, .38ACP, .38Super, .380, .22Savage High Power, .303Savage, .32-40, .32ACP, .25ACP,
.25RF, .25Stevens, .32BBC, .32RF Short, .32RF Long, .38RF Short, .38RF LOng, .22RF BBC, .22RF CBC, .22RF Short (several types), .22RF Long (ditto), .22 WRF, .22Rem Spl, .22 WRA (your puppy), .22 RemAuto (Remington copy), a whole whack of others, severed the British connection that was bringing in our .577 Snider, .405 Winchester and .450MH stuff. Then they demanded that we buy their junk. Now you know where all those American ammo boxes come from!

But your ammo was made until 1968. The case also was shorter than a regular .22LR and the bulet was a lightweight. Iam wondering if .22Magnum could be altered. I DO know a man who has successfully CONVERTED a 1903 to handle .22LR and the factory did it, so it is definitely possible. Just don't know how PRACTICAL it might be. Numrich has all the parts, so might someone else.

Not much, but I hope it helps a bit.

Nice rifle, anyway; really shows what Americans could turn out. Very high quality little rifle. Maybe we can get Norinco to turn out some ammo....... or Magtech or Aguila or somebody who is interested in serving the public and gaining a little bit of customer loyalty. Bring back the .25 Stevens while they're at it. Being stuck with 150 brands, loads and varieties of .22LR is not my idea of choice.
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Thanks for the info smellie. Wow you sure know your ammo. I have read that the Winchester Automatic cartridges weren't a very powerful shot anyway but it's such a shame to have a beautiful firearm like that sitting there going to waste. I will talk to the local gunsmith here about the possibility of re-chambering to either a .22lr or .22mag. Thanks again for the help.


Scott
 
Pretty sure the action is not long enough to accommodate the Maggie.

A chamber sleeve might work but a bolt mod might be needed for the butt-mounted magazine to get it to feed properly at the required angle.

If you were to get it to work, I would suggest Standard-velocity ammo rather than the High-velocity and Hyper-velocity stuff we have today; it will be a lot closer to the original performance.

Check out the conversion parts, prices and then make up your mind. Might be best just to lube her up, find a part-box of ammo and shoot her just once twice, then find a 63 for serious shooting. They are a darned fine rifle that went out of production becase they just cost too much to make.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks smellie. Then again maybe I am just as well leaving her alone as she will be turning 100 years old in a few years. I am really one of those people who prefer to use the firearms I own but I could find room on the wall for this one.


Scott
 
Yeah, they just look so cute and so very modern and so harmless.

Hard to believe that they are actually a (gasp!) SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPON WITH A DANGEROUS HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINE!!!!!!!

But they are a little sweetie.

Look for a 63; you will never regret it. And keep Grandpa's as a memory. Some day, sanity will strike in this country and you can pass it along to your own grandson.

Have fun!
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