Winchester 6.5x55 Brass specs

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Difficult to find 1x brass on here.

Has anyone recently bought Win 6.5x55 brass and can confirm their base size?

Most online (older) posts indicates that North American manufacturers sizing is smaller (as they are formed from 30-06) than European brass (.473 vs .478).

No specs from Winchester at all.

Thanks
 
Don't have any Win to measure but I have some
Federal .4740 140 Hi-SHok SP
Hornady .4755 140 SST

New Lapua Brass which I load with is .4770
1F Norma which I bought on EE here .4770
 
Don't have any Win to measure but I have some
Federal .4740 140 Hi-SHok SP
Hornady .4755 140 SST

New Lapua Brass which I load with is .4770
1F Norma which I bought on EE here .4770

Thanks Paul,

Have you reloaded with the Federal or Hornady? Is case life an issue due to the slight undersizing?
 
Get some PRVI, it's decent.
I've used the blue bag Winchester, it was decent stuff. The newer black/red bag stuff is pretty poor quality.
 
Thanks Paul,

Have you reloaded with the Federal or Hornady? Is case life an issue due to the slight undersizing?

I only reload with Lapua (and will be using the Norma at some point).

Was specifically told by the owner of my LGS the Federal brass is ####ty and not to reload it. I bought a cheap box to use for fouling shots.

My loads are over book max in a modern action (T3x) so I want good brass.
 
Yes I agree with you Paul. I have a Tikka CTR in 223 on my buy list, maybe a year out.

I will shoot Lapua brass in it.

As for the 6.5x55, cost wise - $.92 for PRVI and $1.10 for Lapua. Not a big difference but I only need 50 and Lapua comes in 100 pieces lot.
 
The Winchester I had was small base. Did not notice any issue with it.

I didn't notice any difference in it, other than the initial bulge on first firing. It's fine in bolt actions, such as the 96/38 type rifles, where you can get away with neck resizing but if you're loading for an Agb42, it can have some longevity issues as the cases should be full length resized every time to ensure reliable feeding and of course out of batter detonation.

I have had personal experience with out of battery detonation with the Agb42 and it was with brass, old white box PRIVI PARTISAN (not Winchester) that I was neck sizing only. This was suspected as being the main culprit. Firing pin protrusion had been measured after replacement a few hundred rounds prior to the oobd. The brass was on it's third reload and looked fine, other than the expansion ring, which appeared right away. Yes, I did cut a case lengthwise to make sure the case walls weren't thin. Likely just metal fatigue??
 
AGb42 Chambering a round tends to leave a little dimple on a primer. This shows that the firing pin is moving forward with inertia.

There is a spring on the firing pin to keep it retracted. There is lots of room on the firing pin shaft to add another spring. This will reduce the risk of a slam fire. Federal primers are a no-no.
 
AGb42 Chambering a round tends to leave a little dimple on a primer. This shows that the firing pin is moving forward with inertia.

There is a spring on the firing pin to keep it retracted. There is lots of room on the firing pin shaft to add another spring. This will reduce the risk of a slam fire. Federal primers are a no-no.

Yup, but I sold my last agb42 yesterday. I already installed a slightly stiffer spring before it went.

Thanx for bringing that up. I just tend to take such things for granted as common knowledge. Lots of folks have never heard of it.

One other thing, some agb42 rifles have chambers that are very close to maximum dimensions.

I had to find out the hard way, which lead to a bruise on my right leg that went from my hip to the knee, and a Kaboomed rifle.
 
Bringing up an older thread as I am loading 6.5x55 at the moment.

Brand new Winchester (blue bag) brass are measuring .4715 - .472 at the case head. Noticeably smaller than the NUY brass at .479

Interesting that they would use smaller case heads (understand it from a supply management standpoint) when the Lyman 50th edition loading handbook states:

Shooters loading for the Swede should under no circumstances attempt to form brass from 30-06 cases. Case diameter of the 30-06 runs .008" to .010"
smaller than the Swedish cartridge. Such reformed cases will bulge dramatically when fired, or worse.


The Lyman manual shows the case head diameter as .480".

Also was loading some 1x fired Remington cases last night with 100 gr Nosler BT (going to try on wolves). I needed 5 more cases for the box of 50 and used 1x fired Winchester cases. All resized, chamfered etc at the same time. The bullets fell through the case necks on the Winchesters and sat on the powder load for all of them. Tested with some of the other 40 resized 1x fired Winchester cases and same thing. No issues with the Remington cases or the NUY cases (which are going to be used in another bullet weight).
 
Bringing up an older thread as I am loading 6.5x55 at the moment.

Brand new Winchester (blue bag) brass are measuring .4715 - .472 at the case head. Noticeably smaller than the NUY brass at .479

Interesting that they would use smaller case heads (understand it from a supply management standpoint) when the Lyman 50th edition loading handbook states:

Shooters loading for the Swede should under no circumstances attempt to form brass from 30-06 cases. Case diameter of the 30-06 runs .008" to .010"
smaller than the Swedish cartridge. Such reformed cases will bulge dramatically when fired, or worse.


The Lyman manual shows the case head diameter as .480".

Also was loading some 1x fired Remington cases last night with 100 gr Nosler BT (going to try on wolves). I needed 5 more cases for the box of 50 and used 1x fired Winchester cases. All resized, chamfered etc at the same time. The bullets fell through the case necks on the Winchesters and sat on the powder load for all of them. Tested with some of the other 40 resized 1x fired Winchester cases and same thing. No issues with the Remington cases or the NUY cases (which are going to be used in another bullet weight).


I've made up 6.5x55 brass from all sorts of different cases. There was a time when the only ammo available (1973) was Dominion, loaded with 160grn round nose bullets.

There was a raging controversy back then that making cases from other cartridge configurations was going to result in catastrophic failures.

Most of the derision came out of US firearms magazines.

Horsefeathers says I. Let common sense take over.

.005 is NOTHING. If it were, North American manufacturers, especially those in the US, who are litigation shy, wouldn't even consider doing it. Yet they don't seem to be bothered.

It may make a very minuscule difference if you're full length resizing every time MAYBE.

There is more variation in chambers than .005. Does that mean you have find a source for brass cases that only makes cases for your rifles specific chamber???

This isn't alchemy or rocket science. There is a bit of leeway in all of it.

Some of the longest lasting 6.5 Swede cases I have are made up from IVI 7.62x51 BLANK cartridges. I made those up back in the early eighties and still have a hundred left. They've all been reloaded a few dozen times. Yes, there is a bit of stretching on the web. Is it going anywhere??? No.

I shot that stuff out of ag42B rifles without any issues. It was also shot through M94/38/96 rifles and later a Remington 700 Classic with maximum chamber dimensions, no issues. I've even shot it in my Tikka T3, with very stout loads.
 
FYI

American SAAMI 6.5x55 cartridge base diameter manufacturing tolerances .4782 to .4703 Chamber diameter tolerance .4794 to .4814

American SAAMI 30-06 cartridge base diameter manufacturing tolerances .4698 to .4618 Chamber diameter tolerance .4708 to .4728

Example below British .303 cases fired in the same Enfield rifle, the Prvi case has a larger base diameter and the HXP case has a smaller base diameter. Both cases reload just fine, just keep the shoulder bump to a minimum to prevent stetching.

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