Winchester 94

Should Winchester Drop the Mod 94 from the line up, and move on to something newer?

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94's

They need to be upgraded or helped in someway :roll: . Basically right now I consider them a farm veterinary tool. If you have to shoot your dog, horse or cow for medical reasons... yup the 94 is excellent. All shots are usually at ten feet or less, very accurate at that distance. :lol:
 
The '94 should stay in production, but the folks at Winchester need to stop messing with the original design. If a new idea comes up and they want to bring out a special version which incorporates that idea then good, but the original concept rifle should remain be available, and unchanged. Cross bolt safeties, angle eject, and having to match the part you need to a specific year or years of manufacture have done nothing to improve the concept.

I would like to see a special version however. My version would be made without the cross bolt safety, with really good wood, slightly curved metal butt plate, case hardened finish on the reciever, stainless octogon barrel (to replicate the old nickel steel barrels), and a reciever sight with good adjustments. Hmm...maybe I'll have to get one built.
 
The trouble with 94s is that there are so many out there it's too easy to buy a good used one for less than the price of a new one.

As mentioned, I think that if they do continue to produce them, it should be in the original Pre64 design, with 22" bbl, 1/2 mag, 1/2 round bbl, nice wood, straight grip, checkered steel butt, no rear sight but an all steel Lyman reciever sight intead. :idea:

The Model 64 is pretty much the perfect lever action........

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/w1392.htm

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SuperCub said:
no rear sight but an all steel Lyman reciever sight intead. :idea:
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Your kidding....right :?:
I agree, straight grip, curved metal buttplate, and the old rear ladder sight, F the buckhorns and other crap. And NO extra holes in the reciever, no scope mounts, and NO RECIEVER SIGHT :!:
Hmmm, wouldn't mind see a big loop as an option.
 
Sure keep making them, but how about they keep it to commemoratives or specials.
A new design that was stronger and more accurate, not too far from a BLR, would be much better.
Almost every design out there has got better in terms of accuracy over the last 100 years and yet the 94 hasn't.
If you like tube mags, fine, but isn't there a way to design a gun that will shoot tight groups with one from the factory?? :|
 
no person is a true,

hunter

collector

target shooter

or gunnut for that matter,

if they do not have a 94 winchester. :evil:
 
Groota said:
no person is a true,

hunter

collector

target shooter

or gunnut for that matter,

if they do not have a 94 winchester. :evil:
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Well, I guess I'll have to live with being a fake then if it means choosing other rifles than the 94.
Personally I think there are better actions over 100 years old that feed quickly and pack more powerful rounds.
Feel free to keep on kidding yourself. :roll:
 
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Personally I think there are better actions over 100 years old that feed quickly and pack more powerful rounds.
Feel free to keep on kidding yourself. :roll:[/quote]

At one time knowledgable riflemen made a living knocking the .30-30, but upon reflection why do you need more power in a short range deer rifle? How can something that already works perfectly for it's intended purpose be improved upon? Where can you find an off the shelf rifle that is handier and lighter than a Winchester or Marlin lever action? A Savage 99 in .308 or 284 isn't as light, and offers little advantage on deer under 150 yards. A Remington pump carbine in .308 or .30-06 - again no advantage. A Browning BAR in 7 Mag???

If it is truely an all around hunting rifle you seek than you want a .375, but for thick cover whitetails - or black tails - a M-94 in .30-30 works perfectly. By the way, I've seen some very good shooting with .30-30 lever actions - in fact - "If that rifle was half as accurate as it was, it would still be twice as accurate as it needed to be." (Jeff Cooper - on another subject)
 
Boomer said:
kombi1976 said:
Personally I think there are better actions over 100 years old that feed quickly and pack more powerful rounds.
Feel free to keep on kidding yourself. :roll:
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At one time knowledgable riflemen made a living knocking the .30-30, but upon reflection why do you need more power in a short range deer rifle? How can something that already works perfectly for it's intended purpose be improved upon? Where can you find an off the shelf rifle that is handier and lighter than a Winchester or Marlin lever action? A Savage 99 in .308 or 284 isn't as light, and offers little advantage on deer under 150 yards. A Remington pump carbine in .308 or .30-06 - again no advantage. A Browning BAR in 7 Mag???

If it is truely an all around hunting rifle you seek than you want a .375, but for thick cover whitetails - or black tails - a M-94 in .30-30 works perfectly. By the way, I've seen some very good shooting with .30-30 lever actions - in fact - "If that rifle was half as accurate as it was, it would still be twice as accurate as it needed to be." (Jeff Cooper - on another subject)
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Whoever said I was in need of a short range deer rifle??
It wasn't even the question at the beginning of this poll.
Groota is the guy alleging that anyone without a '94 has a huge hole in their lives.
I know this list is CanadianGunNutz but where I come from a 30-30 isn't the ideal rifle.
If all you hunt is pigs in the scrub & brigalow then fine.
But few roo shooters would depend on one.....not accurate enough when most shots start at 120yds and move out from there.
And short range or not, I've NEVER heard of or read about anyone using a 30-30 for deer here in Australia.
Pigs, goats, even foxes, but not deer.
The only deer regularly shot at short range in Australia are sambar and they can be the size of elk, not an ideal situation for a 30-30, at least in my book.
My main shooter is a 303/25 on a ShtLE action and if it isn't cycling fast it's my fault, not the gun.
The action is slicker than snot on a door knob.
I actually think the '95 is a better rifle.
A flatter trajectory is more important here in Oz.
I've heard plenty of tales on people's satisfaction with the 30-30 and the '94 and I'm calling no one a liar.
But I'm not going to pretend it'd be the solution to all of my hunting needs, 'cause it'd be a bad investment if I did.
Besides, tube mags drive me nuts.
Why saddle any sort of cartride with that sort of restriction?
For the record, I voted that Winchester should continue to make the '94.
And at the end of the day it's IMO.
 
Feel free to keep on kidding yourself.
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thanks mate :mrgreen:

Groota is the guy alleging that anyone without a '94 has a huge hole in their lives.
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sorry Friend,

i'm not alleging anyone has a huge hole in their if they don't own a 94.

it was said more in jest,

as almost everyone around where i grew up had one.

in fact when we slaughter bison, beef, pork, etc........

or hunt in bush....

that's our usually our rifle of chose...

please,

no offence meant. :wink:


I've heard plenty of tales on people's satisfaction with the 30-30 and the '94 and I'm calling no one a liar.
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why thank-you :D
 
No offence taken, Groota.
The most common rifle here is a .22lr closely followed by either a .223 or .222.
And as much as I hate to admit it('cause I think they're incredibly boring) a .243 is probably adequate for everything here in Australia but big game i.e. deer, camels, horses, donkeys & buffalo.
That's why my 25 cal is so useful.
When the range of game is rabbits, hares, foxes, dingo, goats, pigs & deer(at least for most of the country excluding up north) a lot of shots taken are long shots.
And short range stuff is shotgun work.
As I've said before, unless you're a particular fan of 94s there are more flexible guns & cartridges out there.
 
The model 94 is THE rifle of all-time. Nothing has killed more deer, (or indians for that matter :shock:).

I'll go ahead and say it...I think anyone who doesn't have a Model 94 DOES have a big hole in their lives. :wink:

The day winchester drops the model 94 is the day I start buying Remingtons :p
 
Gee, Shoey, they must only ever have hunted deer in America?
What do you think all those European hunters used.....rocks? :?
A good hunting arm that has proved itself over time, for sure.
Rifle of all time, I think not.
And I also think you'd better check your dates before you start making coments about Indian kills.
The last major battle of the Indian Wars was the Battle of Wounded Knee in 1890 and it ended any sort of resistance by the Indians.
That would mean that it would be 4 years before the '94 was even sold, let alone adopted as a service rifle, which I don't think it was because the Krag was adopted.
Talking of Indians, I actually found it interesting that at the Battle of Little Big Horn most if not all of the US Cavalry were equipped with single shot carbines and a considerable amount of the Indians were using the latest repeaters.
So at least to begin with, there were probably more cavalry troops killed by lever guns than Indians. :roll:
 
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