Winchester Model 100? Anyone have anything to say about it?

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Found one locally that seems like a good gun.

It is a .308 and would seem like a good bush gun for deer or moose.

Might trade the Marlin 336 for it, but would like to hear from anyone more experienced with one.

What would parts availability be on something like this?

The other option is a Sportered LE no 1 mk 3, but no easy options for optics with it.

What would you choose?
 
There was a recall or udate on them years ago. I think they have dual firing pins maybe? Something about the frinig pis maybe breaking and it then could possibly slamfire or go full auto. Google should help you there. I found the one I had was not terribly accurate, but fine for woods deer hunting, easy to carry, easy to dump 5 rds at a running deer. Usually got em too. Personaly I would go for the 100 and put a red dot on it.
 
My dad carried a model 100 for years, always kept it clean and it had a the firing pin recall completed. He had an eight point deer trotting down the bank of a swamp about 75 yards away, shot at it, went to shoot again and it jammed. Luckily he got the deer on the first shot. He couldn't sell it fast enough. He carries a Model 88 now. There is a reason the Model 100s are considerably cheaper than the Model 88 and it because they are known to jam. Alot of people hunt with them and have no problems, but I won't be one of them. You might buy this one and love it, but it could be a problem gun. Make sure it's had the firing pin recall completed and keep it very very clean. If you like the look of the Model 100, check out the Model 88, it's much more reliable.
 
Personally I would stay away from 100's and 88's unless condition is excellent...

Moderns rifles but long discontinued and parts extremely hard to obtain if at all...
 
The devil you know usually is better than the one you don't.......:evil:
Me?:rolleyes:
I'd keep the 336.:)
Less issues, better handling and probably better shooting.:eek:
Others may think it differently, oh heck, let's leave it at that.:p
YMMV
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In our neck of the woods, these rifles don't fetch a good price, not as much as one would think, your Marlin would draw more.
 
The parts which are prone to break are not readily available.
A piston/operating rods unit is hundreds of dollars in the US.
 
Had one in .284 and it completly ruined a Manitoba Whitetail hunt for me one year.Very finicky on what you feed them and you want to keep them VERY clean.Definitly NOT an all weather rifle.It was accurate thogh.
 
My dad has been deer hunting with one for 25 years now and it has taken quite a few bambies. It is an excellent rifle for what he uses it for, and accurate. Only issue is you have to keep them clean in order for it to cycle properly. There was a recall on the firing pin years ago, if you contact Winchester you will be able to find out if that rifle has had the recall work completed on it. I have seen M100s sell for between 400-500. I am thinking about getting one for myself.
 
Ok ill pass on the winchester.

I am still thinkin the Enfield is a good option though.

My issue with the 336 is with the irons. The buckhorn sights I can't stand, and putting a scope on this thing is ridiculous as far as weight goes. I was looking at changing the sights to some fiber optics, but I really like the sights on the Enfield.

The thin front post makes me think I should be able to put up decent groups out to 150 easy. Of course all this depends on how it shoots.
 
I have had a M-100 for years, my Dad actually bought it new in 1960. Like all Winchesters the pre 64 years were of better quality.
The obvoius external difference being the post 64's have stamped basket weave checkering the pre 64's have the traditional cut diamond checkering.

There are five Win. M-100's in our hunt camp alone, yes the odd time they jam/malfunction, but no more or less often than the Remington 742's and Browning Bars. We have a fella with a Remington 760 pump in camp that was ging to wrap it around a tree a couple years back because when Mr. Buck was standing there most patiently in front of him and he clicked all five rounds through the gun none of them going off. The problem was a weak fireing pin spring. A gun is a mechanical device, the auto's being the most finicky, any mechanical device is prone to malfunction. Any of you fellas that have heen in the military know that gun cleanliness is high of there training list, and for good reason.

In my experience with M-100's, and I can say it is very extensive in the bush experience.(39 yrs) Any auto jams for a reason and in 99% of the cases it's something being dirty. In the case of the M-100 keep it clean and lightly oiled except for the gas system parts which you keep clean and "DRY".
Very important to clean your clips and shells at the end or start of everyday. Get all the spruce needles, junks of bark and other bits of crud out of your clips. Then wipe all your shells with a lightly oily rag before loading them into the clip. The reason this is so important is that dry dirty shells will hang up and or not completely enter the chamber. In the case of the M-100 this will not allow the bolt head to turn and lock into position, preventing the gun from firing. For the same reason don't ever let the bolt down slowly, let it slam shut.
The old fella that taught me about the clean the clips and shells and let the bolt slam proceedure actually had a Browning Bar that used to jam habitually. Over the many years since I have been following his advice my M-100 has gave obsolutely zero issues.

So all that being said look out for the following;

+has the firing pin recall been done? (Safety issue)
+are the gas system components pitted and rusted? (Some guns have steel parts other model years stainless steel)
+is it a pre or post 64?

Since the M-100's are tricky to take apart and even trickier to put back together correctly, I would strongly and highly suggest you take this gun to a competent gunsmith for a thorough examination or if you have a friend who is very familiar with M-100's let him do it.

They were well made, very reliable and accurate guns. Winchester discontiued them as they were expensive to make and they couldn't compete with the cheaper to manufacture Remington M 742. Plus Remington was a marketing machine. The M-100's and 88's were very popular here in eastern Canada but not in the US where the main gun market is. The M-88 which is the lever version of the M-100 was discontiued for the same reasons.

They have a following and command prices depending upon condition and year of manufacture from $450 to $550.

To help answer part of your original question a Marlin 336 has a reputation of being a very reliable gun.( the older production models) Is it better than a M-100? Your trying to compare apples to oranges here. Depends on what you like and what your going to hunt with it. Me, I would have both!!!


If you live close to my location, PM me, and bring it on over and I will strip it down and take a look.
 
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Go to Williams Gunsight website and order up a Firesight set [Foolproof rear aperture and firesight front]
This will add one ounce to the weight of your rifle, and will make a much better shooting rifle out of it.
I have the combo on two leverguns, and even MY 66 year old eyes love them!
Eagleye.
 
.... wipe all your shells with a lightly oily rag before loading them into the clip. The reason this is so important is that dry dirty shells will hang up and or not completely enter the chamber.

This advice is contrary to anything I have read or experienced.

Oily shells will create oily chambers. Oily chambers can cause a lot of bolt thrust and collect dust and are hard to clean in a semi auto.

Clean ammo and a clean chamber is the standard. I don't understand why a clean dry shell would hang up and lightly oiling it would solve the problem.
 
Go to Williams Gunsight website and order up a Firesight set [Foolproof rear aperture and firesight front]
This will add one ounce to the weight of your rifle, and will make a much better shooting rifle out of it.
I have the combo on two leverguns, and even MY 66 year old eyes love them!
Eagleye.

But. but ,but, Eagle eyes never get old do they:D I remember my grandfather taking me out to the back forty with the thurty thurty and handing me the rifle for the first time and saying that big rock up there with the three little rocks on its back, take a crack at that. Five minutes later and much pointing and holding of my head, I finally spotted the "big" rock. It was like deer size i guess, about 150 yds. I hit it with my second shot, he said great shootin and then proceeded to whack the 3 football size rocks off its back with 3 shots. So humbled. Those old guys could shoot irons man. Sorry for the story.
 
This advice is contrary to anything I have read or experienced.

Oily shells will create oily chambers. Oily chambers can cause a lot of bolt thrust and collect dust and are hard to clean in a semi auto.

Clean ammo and a clean chamber is the standard. I don't understand why a clean dry shell would hang up and lightly oiling it would solve the problem.

I think "wiping them with a lightly oiled rag" and "lightly oiling" are not really the same thing. I think he means more as a means of ensuring there is no grit etc left on the shells. I've been wrong before tho.:cool:
 
There is a huge difference between wiping your shells with a "LIGHTLY" !!!!! oiled rag to get the grit and dryness off them and out right oiling them. A little common sense goes a long way here.

A M-100 is not in the same league as an AK-47 that will operate with hand fulls of sand and mud in the action.
 
Educated

Ok ill pass on the winchester.

I am still thinkin the Enfield is a good option though.

My issue with the 336 is with the irons. The buckhorn sights I can't stand, and putting a scope on this thing is ridiculous as far as weight goes. I was looking at changing the sights to some fiber optics, but I really like the sights on the Enfield.

The thin front post makes me think I should be able to put up decent groups out to 150 easy. Of course all this depends on how it shoots.

I would pass,makes more available for the rest of us.Purchase the Enfield,wars lasted for years because of these fine rifles...
 
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