Winchester model 12

canvasback said:
For all you jumping on Wadctrshootr, it seems pretty clear to me that, having heard a rumour, he's asking for clarification here from anyone who knows the facts. It's called asking a question!

You can spot questions because they usually end in a question mark and they typically start with interrogative worlds like "who", "what", "where" and "will".

Please read the last sentence of Wadctrshootr's post again.
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Well said!
 
I traded a M12 3" heavy duck last year for a spare Winchester pump ( SXP?) That I had kicking around as a loaner.
My friend wanted a gun with interchangeable chokes for goose hunting .
I gladly made the trade!
We took it out on New Year's day and it shot super on the wobble trap course:dancingbanana:
It was reblued many years ago, but who cares, it shoots well and looks great !
Cat
 
Thanks for the support Canvasback and FalconFlyer. I was genuinely asking an honest question based on a comment in a Dlask thread where they indicate that there is a serious reason behind their manufacturing their shorter barrels for 870 shotguns from scratch rather than shortening factory original length barrels.
 
Wadctrshootr said:
Thanks for the support Canvasback and FalconFlyer. I was genuinely asking an honest question based on a comment in a Dlask thread where they indicate that there is a serious reason behind their manufacturing their shorter barrels for 870 shotguns from scratch rather than shortening factory original length barrels.
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You can cut any long gun barrel down to 18", shorter than that and the long gun become a prohibited firearm. If the long gun is semiautomatic and it's barrel is cut between 18" and 18.5" that long gun would be a restricted firearm. A manufacturer can manufacture a long gun barrel of any length, manual action and rimfire firearms having the lowest barrel length requirements to remain non-restricted with most being non-restricted with sub 18" barrels. Check the actual laws for proper millimeter measurements.
 
Thanks for the clarification Ex3dy. If I understand your explanation the OP's barrel shortened to 21" is allowed and remains non-restricted/non-prohibited, but if you want a barrel less than 18 or 18.5" the firearm would change classification unless you get the shorter barrel custom made vs cutting down the original factory barrel.
 
The point is the discussion is about model 12 shotguns not about what constitutes the ownership of a gun that is altered or is going to be altered or what the law makers are possibly going to do in the future.
If that is your concern there are many threads on that topic jump in on one of them or just go do your own research
 
Today was a great day ,bud phoned me up and said he had a broker coming over with a pair of 28g model 12 .So had to see this have never been in contact with a real one.Was a great day got a 1950 skeet 28g. which I never thought I would ever see yes it is an origInal not a 20 dressed up ,my pard got a field grade 28 G and a model 21 in as new condition ,.cheap no but they are original and I have one,, very happy pics soon ... RD
 
reddog said:
Today was a great day ,bud phoned me up and said he had a broker coming over with a pair of 28g model 12 .So had to see this have never been in contact with a real one.Was a great day got a 1950 skeet 28g. which I never thought I would ever see yes it is an origInal not a 20 dressed up ,my pard got a field grade 28 G and a model 21 in as new condition ,.cheap no but they are original and I have one,, very happy pics soon ... RD
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WOW!!! You had quite the day, indeed. It's rare to see one 28 ga M12, but two---like a dream. And, to top it off you got an incredible M21. Your lucky day.
 
In 1967 I brought a nice 28 gauge back from Colorado for a friend in Calgary... I think he paid $400 for it at that time...
 
Wadctrshootr said:
Thanks for the clarification Ex3dy. If I understand your explanation the OP's barrel shortened to 21" is allowed and remains non-restricted/non-prohibited, but if you want a barrel less than 18 or 18.5" the firearm would change classification unless you get the shorter barrel custom made vs cutting down the original factory barrel.
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Cutting the factory barrel shorter than 18" on a pump shotgun results in a prohibited firearm. Remington did offer factory 14" barrels but they were rare and pricey. Dlask saw the demand signal and started manufacturing new barrels at 12.5" and 14", which is legal to do under our incredibly convoluted and often illogical firearms laws. As much as it doesn't make sense, it's what they have to do.
 
Pics of the 28 skeet
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, took the stock off it has 28 stamped on the receiver block ring .the party is now complete except for a Black Diamond and that is not such a game maker as this one :)
 
It was my misfortune to have to deal with broken slide lock springs in a M12 a customer brought into a local shop. At least he had obtained the replacements. Talk about a mickey mouse design. A M12 is a gun that is great until problems start.
 
My concern with the barrel being reduced to 21” is performance. Is it accurate at all with slugs and how does it pattern shot?

Cut down barrels make no sense to me when there are plenty of affordable and expensive pump action options that are nonrestricted under 18”. From the cheap Charles Daly or Churchill to the Benelli SuperNova tactical 14.5”…. Or even the middle ground priced Canuck variants…. All which should perform better than a chopped down Model 12.
 
Can't slam fire a Benelli and it also has the slowest pump rate of any .I have a cut down 12 and a 870 tactical ,IMHO 12 is better for some 870 for others.
 
Ask, the tactical guys they seem to think it's better ,but to put as much shrapnel in the kill zone as fast as possible ,I would think.
 
YouAreInOilCountry said:
My concern with the barrel being reduced to 21” is performance. Is it accurate at all with slugs and how does it pattern shot?

Cut down barrels make no sense to me when there are plenty of affordable and expensive pump action options that are nonrestricted under 18”. From the cheap Charles Daly or Churchill to the Benelli SuperNova tactical 14.5”…. Or even the middle ground priced Canuck variants…. All which should perform better than a chopped down Model 12.
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I’ve never seen any difference between long and short barrels in accuracy or patterns. You give up some velocity and swing if shooting at a moving target/bird, they are a lot louder. I have barrels ranging from 12.5”-30” and accuracy and patterns remain the same, especially if removable chokes are involved. A cylinder bore is still a cylinder bore regardless of length, same with full chokes.

Id take a M12 with a cut barrel over any new short barrel Turkish piece of crap any day, at least it’s made 100 times better and if anything breaks/wears out you have a chance of getting parts to fix it.

Westward1 said:
What is the purpose of slam firing ?
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Pure fun, it’s great times.
 
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