Winchester Model 97 Shotgun

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I have a friend that just picked up a Winchester Model 1897 12 Gage Shotgun manufactured in 1906 or 07. The gun is in good condition but some poor Bubba cut the butt stock and tried to install a recoil pad on it. Nice gun but the butt stock really takes away from it. Any idea where I can get a new stock for him, and what are they meaning the gun and stock worth?

Should he just get a smith to cut it properly and install a good pad or look for a replacement stock?

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If installing a new pad will give adequate LOP that's the way I would go. Most of the big parts warehouses have newly manufactured stocks that run about 125.00 a new pad installed will still run about 65.00 Good old gun and well worth the investment.

cheers Darryl
 
Last time I bought an 1897 butt stock from Western Gun Parts, they were $99 unfinished and $109 finished (plus shipping and tax). Finished meant stained but not oiled.

I wouldn't buy a finished one, because you will almost certainly need to sand or carve small amounts of wood away in order to get the stock to fit the individual gun properly. As soon as you do that, you're re-staining the whole piece anyway.

If the stock is sound and you can achieve the needed LOP with a recoil pad, that would be the cheapest and easiest route to go. If there are deep black oil stains in the wood at the wrist where the butt stock meets the back of the receiver, or if there are cracks in the same spot, a new butt stock may be advisable. A weak stock at the wrist can be a safety hazard.

Assuming the gun is in average condition for its age, it's worth $200 to $275 with the stock as is. With the stock repaired, it would be worth $375 to $450. The 1897 is by far the most durable pump gun ever built. It has a rich history that ranges from riding with the Texas rangers and being instrumental in the Old West from Alaska to Nova Scotia, to helping turn the tide in wars all the way from WWI to Korea.

The gun was chambered for 2 9/16" shells. It will safely accept modern 2 3/4" nitro shells, although the recoil will be less with 2 1/2" shells, if your friend wants to use those. Another way to mitigate the shorter chamber is to open up the forcing cone a bit. No reason not to do this, but I personally have never found the need. I shot 2 3/4" heavy game loads in my 16 gauge 1897 for 20 years before I found out that the chamber was slightly shorter. So, it's not a big issue, but one that can be resolved if the recoil is more than your friend is accustomed to. This may also explain why the previous owner was interested in a recoil pad.
 
I almost forgot...

If your friend will be ordering a new butt stock on the internet, by mail order, or by phone, he'll need to know that there are 2 different sizes of through-bolts to secure the stock to the receiver. I'm not near my guns and I don't have a tape measure handy but, from memory, one is about 4" long and the other about 6". Which one fits depends on the stock not the receiver.

Some of the stocks are cored out deeper and those are the ones that use the shorter bolt. It's always a good idea when ordering one of these stocks, to measure your through-bolt and make sure the vendor knows which bolt you have. They should be able to measure bolts that they have and slip them into the replacement stock to make sure they're the right length before shipping the stock.
 
Here's a cuppulla pics of my just finished '97. She's a 1932, 12ga. When I got her, she was a bit of a dog's butt like Albayo's. Had a barrel that was somewhere between seven and ten feet long, dented at the muzzle. Finish was pretty well nonexistant, stock was cracked and gummed up to sheiss. I stripped it down, sent the barrel assy over to Casey @ TACORD, he chopped the barrel to 20.5", and did essentially a Vang Comp job on the barrel- lengthened the forcing cone, and back bored it to modified and put a big fat bead on it. The only thing he didn't do for a full Vang Comp mod was porting. Got a new stock from Jeff's- check the above link. Five coats of rust blue, and voila.
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The stock and the pad aren't flush. We can all see that, but the pad has been very poorly ground to fit the contours of the stock. The pad should be ground to look like an extension of the stock. The pad also looks like it's not exactly new. For a great old gun like the '97, take it to your smith as is and he will fit the pad to the stock so there's no gap and he'll contour the pad properly. If you need a new pad , so be it. It may cost you $150.00 but that old girl should be made to look her best.The pad shows grooves and irregular spots , that any good smith would never give back to a client , never mind charge for.
 
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