Ar180shooter
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Doubtful. It's not something you understand until you've used, and I mean really used, a fine rifle.
Winchester's newest addition to the budget family of firearms
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Doubtful. It's not something you understand until you've used, and I mean really used, a fine rifle.
Ar180shooter
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No, you don't understand... not in the least. Have you ever owned a fine rifle that is fit to you? My bet is no.
It's one of those things that you don't understand until you see what you're missing.
I suggest you read up on the Allegory of the Cave... It's basically that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
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Hey, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not sure what your definition of "fine" rifle is, or what the minimum $ value your looking for to fit this classification is.
But yes, I have and do own several "fine" rifles.
I'm sure this new Winchester will be the perfect rifle for many proud gun owners.
Dude, get a grip....... I can see you just like to start arguments (you win, nice work!)
This a thread about a new Winchester Rifle, I have a perfect understanding of rifle quality, and fit, thanks.
Sorry but I don't see the need to brag about the Coopers and Kimbers in my closet just to prove a point
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How the hell can a 'fine rifle' as you call it or a rifle over x dollars or whatever automatically fit a person? A rifle fits when it fits that's all there is to it it doesn't matter if its a Cooper or a Winchester. Some 'fine rifles' are svelt some are heavy and boxy some fit me some don't. My Ruger Mk11 short action fits me like a glove and yes I've had a bit of experience with a few other types
Ar180shooter
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Now hold on, you made a claim, and I asked what practical experience you've had. If you genuinely have had lots of experience with higher end, properly fitted rifles, I'll gladly retract my earlier statements. But with that in mind, can you honestly say that your factory marlin, when fully loaded, handles better, is better balanced, comes up easier, points better, and has a smoother action than your custom Cooper? My experience with Marlins is they are very functional rifles, but the action is clunky (this is, admittedly, debatable as I'm not the biggest fan of lever actions), they don't point very well, are poorly balanced and don't swing well when loaded (mainly for models with full length magazines). They're handy and lightweight, and I generally like them, so don't think that I'm trying to say anything that's not a $3000 custom rifle is crap, because that's not what I'm saying at all.
It's not explicitly about how much it costs, but you do get what you pay for. Like everything else, there is the law of diminishing returns.
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Ar180shooter
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An off the shelf rifle rarely, if ever, properly fits a person. That said, there is a lot more time and thought put in to the design of a higher end rifle. It's like a suit. One you buy off the shelf can look good at first glance, but when you've worn one that's tailored to you, it's hard to go back to off the shelf ones.
And I stand by my claim, I answered yes to your "practical experience" question, ie: have I ever owned a fine rifle fit to me?. (I don't feel like dragging out my gun ledger)
Although none of my Marlins would be labeled as Factory, the work done to them is purely for tuning the action.
For me, my Marlins: point, swing, cycle and balance the way i like an iron sight lever gun to. My Cooper: points, swings, cycles and balances the way i like a long range hunting rifle to. My M700: points, swings, cycles and balances the way i like a stalking hunting rifle to.
Most rifles can be modified / customized to fit any shooter. I wont own guns that don't fit me, or that I don't feel I can count on to perform, regardless of price or pedigree.
That's unfortunately untrue. Higher end/lower volume rifles typically get more hand fitting, so *less* time is spent in the design. I've seen that relationship in industry after industry.
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Probably just for all the WSM followers..............just kidding.
In all honesty, I hope they change the whole line to that, will make all my current FN collection worth much more. Again just kidding, I'd cry if they did. I'm full of the dickens tonight please pardon me. We'll have to see what happens after they hit the market to judge.
In all honesty, I hope they change the whole line to that, will make all my current FN collection worth much more. Again just kidding, I'd cry if they did. I'm full of the dickens tonight please pardon me. We'll have to see what happens after they hit the market to judge.
