Winclean - bad??

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Read in a post here about a Glock .40 cal using Winclean and there were a few replies about the amount of duds and problems with Winclean, at least one included a kaboom scenario, which I suspected was about the ammo.

Is this ammo really that bad ?
Its been a few years since I have used Winclean .45 - I don't remember having problems but only used a couple hundred rounds then went to reloading.

The search didn't work for me, I am assuming this has been discussed here before, can someone point me to some threads, or maybe shed a little more light on the Winclean topic ?
 
I've used Win-clean in the past with no problems. Look on the Winchester web site to see if there has been a re-call of any type.

was there an explanation of the problem and could it have been user induced?
 
I've got about 2000rds of Winclean thru my G22 with no problems at all. I'm using American Eagle for my G37 and I average at least 1-2 FTF's every couple hundred rds. Its definitely dirtier then the Winclean.
 
I have never had any problem with it but am not sure where the clean part comes in. I dont find it any cleaner then any other ammo.
 
From my experience, only, Winclean 9mm=disappointing. I had multiple failure of slide locking open on last shot with my Sig p-226. Needless to say, as soon as I switched ammo, voila, no more problems.
 
I've shot thousands of rounds of Winclean without any problems. And Winclean is what TSE uses for range ammo, and they go through tens of thousands of rounds every month. If it was bad stuff, I doubt they'd be using it.
 
The .357 Mag winclean is very hot as it the .38 special. The .357 broke a S & W 586 I have to such a point that it is all but unusable. The over preasure sounds drove the firing pin bushing back into the frame so far that the firing pin cannot reach the primers. I will repair it but it is a pain.
In addition, the Flashholes appear larger in the brass that "Normal" brass of the same cartridge so I'm not sure if one can reload with normal primers.
It is clean because of it's "lack of lead" not it's lack of carbon, although the powder seems a bit cleaner then say, win 231!

Scott
 
Love the Wincleans. Never had a ammunition malfunction with them ever, an I've shot......hmm 10k rounds of this stuff at least.

I shoot the 9mm Luger 147's, seen here.
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Now, I've noticed this happens in any 9mm I shoot. (Used this ammo in Glock 17/19's, Beretta 92's, Para P18-9's, Steyr M9's, FN HiPower's, MP5's (Gotta love down south.), just to name some of what I've used this ammo in. The brass always appears burnt in one spot.

Here's two pictures of one of the 9 brass I found quickly.

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Anyone else notice this at all? I'm assuming it's normal, but hey, I'll leave it to those in the know to comment on that.
 
The only problems I ever had was that my Kimber absolutely would not feed the TC shaped bullets. It eats hollowpoints perfectly, but not winclean TC.
 
In my Shadow, it's dirtier and louder than S&B (I forget the exact name - Sellier & Bellot or some such) but works fine thru the first 250 or so.
 
I've only shot Winclean .40 cal through my CZ-75b, and so far no failures. Seems to be clean enough, although I have only put through 200 rounds total in that gun since new.

I looking to start reloading soon, so I am not too concerned with finding a factory load that is perhaps better. I find it is readily available, priced well, and accurate. At $18 a box, I can't complain too much.

Mike_R
 
We have shot over 200k rounds of Winclean ammo in all flavors of calibre. The only time a failure to fire occurred was when the firing pin was broken.

As far as I'm concerned, it's great stuff. Plus, it's great for reloading. Some of those cases have seen about 3 or 4 cycles without any visible sign of wear.
 
m39a2 said:
The .357 Mag winclean is very hot as it the .38 special. The .357 broke a S & W 586 I have to such a point that it is all but unusable. The over preasure sounds drove the firing pin bushing back into the frame so far that the firing pin cannot reach the primers. I will repair it but it is a pain.
In addition, the Flashholes appear larger in the brass that "Normal" brass of the same cartridge so I'm not sure if one can reload with normal primers.
It is clean because of it's "lack of lead" not it's lack of carbon, although the powder seems a bit cleaner then say, win 231!

Scott
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factory loaded ammo damaged a 586? If thats the case winchester will fix it for you, but I've never heard of this before with winclean. I know lots of people who reload the brass, esp the 45 with small primer pockets..
 
I used to shoot Winclean all the time before I got into reloading; never had a problem...very clean burning! If some people had problems with their Glocks they shouldn't blame the ammo; light primer strikes doesn't mean the primer is a dud ;)

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Primer swipe and a dent at the rim from the loaded chamber indicator-- that's a signature of Steyr M9 they all seem to do it...

Here's two pictures of one of the 9 brass I found quickly.

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Anyone else notice this at all? I'm assuming it's normal, but hey, I'll leave it to those in the know to comment on that.
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The only problem with Winclean is that for some people (myself included) they don't always cycle the slide completely (failure to lock the slide back on semi-auto's) - My and a friends experience, 3 different pistols.

I used Winclean .38spl in a GP100 though with no problems. :)
 
Grove said:
Here's two pictures of one of the 9 brass I found quickly.
IMG_1483.jpg

IMG_1487.jpg

Anyone else notice this at all? I'm assuming it's normal, but hey, I'll leave it to those in the know to comment on that.
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Those look like they are way too hot - the primers are very flat (overpressured), the burnt spot looks like the case is cracking and gas is escaping there. Can you see a crack? I'd not shoot that stuff anymore, unless the idea of a gun exploding in your hands is appealing to you. Keep the spent brass and contact Winchester.
 
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