WINclean BEB in Polygonal Barrels?

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Good News: I finally got some ammo YAY! :dancingbanana:
Bad news: It was $26/box :(

Possible Bad News: It's Winchester WINclean 125gr. BEB and several people (including the guy I bought it from) say it's NOT SAFE for Polygonal barrels because it has lead exposed nose and will cause a KaBoom, excessive leading of the barrel, or cause me to lose my hand. :jerkit:

This stuff will be shot out of my GLOCK 31c with factory barrel, so this would be an obvious concern to me....

I personally think it's :bsFlag: ...if you look at the cross section of the bullet (in the link provided) you'll it looks just like a JHP except there's no hole, the lead "filling" stops almost even with nose (which is a Flat point) so there's no lead exposed on the circumference (ogive?) of the bullet itself. Pretty much the same as an FMJ except instead of exposed lead base, it has an exposed nose.

Like I said, I'm 99.99999% sure that it's TOTALLY safe (especially considering some guys shoot lead out of their factory GLOCK barrels with no real problems (obviously have to clean the barrel well afterwards) BUT I just want to see what some other educated minds think?
 
I have shot many thousands threw both my G-19 and more so my G17 without any problems.All three grn 147,124 and 115.
 
I shot the 40cal winclean out of my USP and had no issues, I ove the stuff. the brass almost looks like it has been tumbled after. I just bought some for my 357mag.
 
novega said:
Good News: I finally got some ammo YAY! :dancingbanana:
Bad news: It was $26/box :(

Possible Bad News: It's Winchester WINclean 125gr. BEB and several people (including the guy I bought it from) say it's NOT SAFE for Polygonal barrels because it has lead exposed nose and will cause a KaBoom, excessive leading of the barrel, or cause me to lose my hand. :jerkit:

This stuff will be shot out of my GLOCK 31c with factory barrel, so this would be an obvious concern to me....

I personally think it's :bsFlag: ...if you look at the cross section of the bullet (in the link provided) you'll it looks just like a JHP except there's no hole, the lead "filling" stops almost even with nose (which is a Flat point) so there's no lead exposed on the circumference (ogive?) of the bullet itself. Pretty much the same as an FMJ except instead of exposed lead base, it has an exposed nose.

Like I said, I'm 99.99999% sure that it's TOTALLY safe (especially considering some guys shoot lead out of their factory GLOCK barrels with no real problems (obviously have to clean the barrel well afterwards) BUT I just want to see what some other educated minds think?
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:onCrack:Do these guys think the nose of the bullet is in contact with the bore? (in my best Cheech) Wow, whatever it is they are smoking must be some really good sh!t mang!
 
Winclean is jacketed; in fact the bullets contain no lead at all.

Lead fouling might be accelerated compared to regular barrels, but plain lead bullets are perfectly safe to shoot through polygonal rifled barrels, so long as the bore is cleaned regularly.
 
What the dealer is telling you is pure unadulterated horse puckey.. WinClean BEB is Brass Enclosed Base and in fact is a brass jacketed bullet with exposed lead nose. They are just fine for use in a Glock or any other gun. About the only thing you will get from them is a small deposit of brass residue on the muzzle which looks gold. Its a bit more of an effort to remove vs copper but poses no threat/danger. Not only is he providing you with false information but charging you dearly for it as well...
The only complaint I have had with WinClean is with the amount of FTF(Fail To Fires) with them vs other rounds. Unusually high percentage and not the result of light strikes. Blast away and enjoy.
Cheers
dB
 
I stand corrected. Winchester Super Clean NT is the ammunition that uses a lead-free tin core. Winclean just uses lead-free primers and a bullet with an enclosed base.
 
Thanks guys!
Like I said, I was pretty sure they were all on crack...but I just wanted to make sure. Especially since I'm probably going to end up buying a few more boxes since I've finally found someone who has some for sale.:dancingbanana:

Caboose said:
The fouling from the brass jacket is a PITA to clean out...
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Do you happen to know any tricks? Or does it just take some #9 and elbow grease?
 
Caboose said:
The fouling from the brass jacket is a PITA to clean out...
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I've never had anything but powder fouling in my Glock, I've shot FMJ, Plated, cast lead, jacket hollow points, and pretty much anything I could get my hands on. Granted, I've not shot THESE particular bullets, but it's not like they re-invented the wheel, why should these foul the barrel so badly?
 
Perhaps "fouling" is not the correct term. It only leaves a gold ring around the muzzle and does not deposit anything inside the barrel. Its from the brass jackets and its more of a residue than a fouling problem. I have not had a problem removing it but it also dedpends on what solvent you are using as well. Its only cosmetic and does not affect the operation.
dB
 
daBear said:
...About the only thing you will get from them is a small deposit of brass residue on the muzzle which looks gold. Its a bit more of an effort to remove vs copper but poses no threat/danger.
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Caboose said:
The fouling from the brass jacket is a PITA to clean out...
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daBear said:
...It only leaves a gold ring around the muzzle and does not deposit anything inside the barrel. Its from the brass jackets and its more of a residue than a fouling problem. I have not had a problem removing it but it also depends on what solvent you are using as well. Its only cosmetic and does not affect the operation.
dB
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I shot them, they worked awesome! They seem A LOT louder than other rounds I've tried and the flame is way bigger as well :D

So here's the problem...the above mentioned brass fouling/residue was barely visible in my barrel (looked pretty cool too btw) but it came off real easy with a copper bore brush and some Hoppe's No9....the compensator ports are another story! My ports are gold colored and it looks like crap and No9 just isn't doing the trick,what solvent did you guys use to dissolve the brass?

I'd like to pick up some more since it was only $26/box but I want to be certain I can clean the brass residue off before I buy a case and end up with a permanently discolored gun.
 
Try some copper removal cleaning stuff. Brass is made up primarily of copper so it should dissovle the brass residue as well. This is assuming it acutally is brass that is being depositied on your compensator openings and not just a more hardy version of the powder fouling.
 
BCRider said:
Try some copper removal cleaning stuff. Brass is made up primarily of copper so it should dissovle the brass residue as well. This is assuming it acutally is brass that is being depositied on your compensator openings and not just a more hardy version of the powder fouling.
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Ok makes sense, I'll try the copper removal stuff and maybe let it soak a bit.
It's definitely brass residue in the compensator openings, it's shiny and looks like gold.

pc9 said:
$26.00 per box of 9mm:eek:
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357sig not 9mm. And that's pretty cheap considering most stores that actually have any 357sig in stock (I know of 2) want well over $36 a box..."some" stores are willing to order me a case for like $32 per 50.

I'm only shooting this WINclean crap because it happens to be the cheapest ammo I've found, not because I like it or care about how clean it is....I'd much rather use regular FMJ/TMJ but it's more expensive :(
 
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The exposed lead tip will not come in contact with the rifling period.
 
As mentioned earlier, Hoppes 9 works well for me but I also use a product called Cowboy Blend from Ramshot which is intended for lead removal but works very well with others and seems to be more efficient than Hoppes.
They all involve a bit of work to remove but let it sit for a minute or 2 before removal.
Cheers
dB
 
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