Wind flags usage????

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So I am curious as to how many people out there who load develop to find the ultimate load actually shoot over windflags?

As I shoot shortrange benchrest it is a given we use windflags and some of us even us wind probes to aid in shooting our groups.

How many actually believe that the flags help?

How many believe that a 5 MPH wind from about the 5 O'clock position does not ahve much effect on your bullet?

There are many people who compete on a regular basis and appear to do well in competition. So do you guys load develop with flags?

CBY
 
YES!!!!!!

However, when the load development is done, I don't use them as much. F class ranges have very few flags and the ones that are there are usually put in locations that aren't the most informative.

And the ones in Kamloops......

LIE :)

Jerry
 
If you shoot in a place/in a situation where you need to look at wind flags to compete, why wouldn't you ALWAYS shoot over flags, load development or not, some of us just need the practice..

But, like Mystic said, most flags lie anyway...At least the ones I look at..
 
I tend to load develop off my back porch in the evenings when the wind is dead and the mirage is gone.

I also load develop at 100-150M initially, so what I need to learn is not going to be adversely affected to the point where my results can be construed as skewed.

I have had to load develop in less than ideal conditions and I tend to rely on the vertical dispersion to tell me if I am close.

My problem with wind flags is that they are rearely at the level of the bullet's trajectory. I tend to rely more on mirage.
 
Budweiser

Budweiser360 said:
If you shoot in a place/in a situation where you need to look at wind flags to compete, why wouldn't you ALWAYS shoot over flags, load development or not, some of us just need the practice..

But, like Mystic said, most flags lie anyway...At least the ones I look at..
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you are right about the flags. When I shoot or practice shortrange I ALMOST always shoot over my flags and this carries over into competition. Without shooting over the flags in the benchrest game you are just pissi++ good bullets downrange for nothing.

In theory they should be used all the time no matter what discipline but each discipline is different.

I hear rumblings about they lie. Well maybe out to 1000 something will lie but in shortrange a lot of people trust them.

I am beginning to feel that I can shoot better in the wind than in the calm. There is a good article in Precision Shooting when Tony Boyer and his wife were interviewed. He is the all time hall of fame points leader and may never be caught. He says that a gun needs to be able to shoot in the wind. The best time to practice is in the wind. I am really starting to believe that.
 
The problem with 'calm air' is that it is rarely ever calm. Or at least unpredictably so.

When there is a breeze or any consistent/constant condition, it is driveable.

When the air is dead, you will definitely face a fair amount of turbulence as the air 'pops' as thermals. Air can rise and fall at very high rates. Our flags simply cannot deal with this.

Easiest way to see this is get a battery powered bubble machine and put it out on the range on a calm warm day. The type of day you would expect to shoot in the 1's without thinking. I bet the bubbles don't float away in a straight line.

From the pics I have seen of SR BR shoots, there is a field of flags which can give you alot of info about direction, duration and intensity. It can also tell you of a change in condition BEFORE it gets to your lane.

No such luck in F class. Usually no flags in the flight path of the bullets. Mostly on the sides of the range and target stand. There are many days, closing your eyes and shooting would seem like the better way to dope conditions.

So I practise as I would compete.

If you ever want to see flags that lie, come out to Kamloops.

Jerry
 
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