WinMSS to require payment?

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Post #3 seems to indicate that this might be the case. I'd hate for us to have to pay for a program that is required to run a match.

The software basically needs to be rewritten because of all of the rule changes...

Everything dies... and release 6.0 will die when its replacement is scheduled to be ready (in/by the second quarter of 2010).

Somebody is going to pay for having a "Penalty" target renamed to "No Shoot" target... and there is a very large amount of software development effort that does not participate in the classification system:

- IPSC Rifle
- IPSC Shotgun
- IPSC Leagues
- IPSC Tournaments
- IPSC Grand Tournament
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Or do you think I'm reading too much into this?
 
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If you are correct...this cost really should be covered by the affiliation fees (considering it's written into the rule book)

I suspect the developer is not being paid sufficiently for his efforts...and if that's the case it is a problem (no one works for free for long) I think it's reasonable for him to be paid...but not by the end user that has not been given a choice.

This should be interesting
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Damn you guys for making me go back to that site...I just wasted a good 15 minutes of my life reading (5 reading, 10 trying to comprehend Chris) that...err...stuff.:slap:
 
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OK...I'm just going to say it :yingyang:

Decoupling WinMss from ICS (which seems to be the direction) does has some advantages. What it essentially means is that usefull updates...that have nothing to do with rules or ICS (more usibility) could be given more consideration.

The way the developer is paid now is based on ICS revenue...

ICS is still a mystery to me...I'm still not sure why it exists. Having given this some thought...I think I like this new concept/direction.
 
hmmm... $10/year/per machine $US.
Not horrible all things considered although it raises hackles in me considering it is the only approved computer scoring software for IPSC.

The programmer in me wants to write his own version but the shooter wants to spend the $20 and have more time to shoot. (I tend to build the match etc. at work during breaks and then enter scores on my laptop at home. )
 
i don't understand why no one else has written a program for scoring. it really shouldn't be that hard should it?
 
First things first...it would require approval from the RD (and there would beed to be a compelling reason to do so)

9.11.1 The scoring programs approved by IPSC are the Match Scoring System (MSS) and Windows® Match Scoring System (WinMSS). No other scoring program must be used for any IPSC sanctioned match without the prior written approval of the Regional Director of the host Region. In the case of MSS and WinMSS the most recent versions of the scoring programs available from the IPSC website are to be used.

Slavex said:
i don't understand why no one else has written a program for scoring. it really shouldn't be that hard should it?
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OK fair enough on the rules, but from a programmer standpoint, is it really that tough? It's simply a gathering of data and compiling and comparing it, performing some simple math and displaying results. Now, I'm not a programmer, but I've done a few simple databases over the years, and based on that, I really don't see how this could be too difficult.
 
While the discussion is on the program.
How about a provision in the program to list the ROs who worked the match, so if you loose your card there is still a record?:)
 
Quigley said:
First things first...it would require approval from the RD (and there would beed to be a compelling reason to do so)

9.11.1 The scoring programs approved by IPSC are the Match Scoring System (MSS) and Windows® Match Scoring System (WinMSS). No other scoring program must be used for any IPSC sanctioned match without the prior written approval of the Regional Director of the host Region. In the case of MSS and WinMSS the most recent versions of the scoring programs available from the IPSC website are to be used.
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The US have their own system EasyWin Score and its about 1000 times better. Oh and it scores both IPSC and USPSA type matches. Its easier to use and it's considered part of your clubs USPSA Membership. They also own the program so when they need an update etc they hire a programer.
 
...and the point would be?

black said:
The US have their own system EasyWin Score and its about 1000 times better. Oh and it scores both IPSC and USPSA type matches. Its easier to use and it's considered part of your clubs USPSA Membership. They also own the program so when they need an update etc they hire a programer.
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Quigley said:
...and the point would be?
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I think that he makes several points not just one.

1) there exists on this planet another option (East Win Score)

2) In his opinion it is better than WINMSS

3) It scores both USPSA and IPSC type matches

4)It is easier to use than WINMSS

5)There is no separate charge for the software as it is part of your membership

6)USPSA owns the rights to the software.

7) they contract its development.



See............several points. Seven to be exact and I did not even count them before I made this point. Always glad to help:nest: (my first time using this emoticon btw)

Note I have ZERO opinion on the merits of any comparison between these two software options. I have never used Easy Win Score and find WINMSS quite easy to use.
 
Well...far be it from Steve to pass up the opporunity for another school girl giddy "USPSA is rocks and IPSV sucks" post...it's been a while so I guess he was due.

Regardless...you know what they say about opinions...so let's deal with the facts

As of today...we can't use it...period.

stormbringer said:
I think that he makes several points not just one.

1) there exists on this planet another option (East Win Score)

2) In his opinion it is better than WINMSS

3) It scores both USPSA and IPSC type matches

4)It is easier to use than WINMSS

5)There is no separate charge for the software as it is part of your membership

6)USPSA owns the rights to the software.

7) they contract its development.



See............several points. Seven to be exact and I did not even count them before I made this point. Always glad to help:nest: (my first time using this emoticon btw)

Note I have ZERO opinion on the merits of any comparison between these two software options. I have never used Easy Win Score and find WINMSS quite easy to use.
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If you match directors would just run some ICS stages,then the programer would get his kick back and all would be good! I wish someone could explain the use for ICS stages as they appear to be nothing more than a "tax grab"

But thats just my thoughts.
 
I agree that funding the official IPSC scoring software as a part of our membership fees makes a lot of sense. It's going be a hassle on both sides of the transaction to have hundreds or thousands of people paying for renewals every year. Let's hike IPSC dues a buck or two and get the IPSC exec council to contract out the development and updates as required.
 
gostick said:
If you match directors would just run some ICS stages,then the programer would get his kick back and all would be good! I wish someone could explain the use for ICS stages as they appear to be nothing more than a "tax grab"

But thats just my thoughts.
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Lets see

I ran an ICS match last year and had 8 competitors.:mad:

I ran an ICS match over three months this year and had.......2 competitors from outside of my club and 8 from my club including my son, daughter and myself.:mad:

I ran these matches in the dead of winter in a heated INDOOR range figureing that at least it would give people something to shoot.

I guess I was wrong. Regardless I will keep doing it as it was a great time and we few who did it enjoyed ourselves.
 
...in addition...

Many of our members don't understand how ICS works. I have piles of email from members wanting to know why they don't have an ICS Classification...I look ionto it only to find out most of them never registered and don't have an ICS alias...

I like the concept...but in my excperience...it's been painfull
 
Slavex said:
OK fair enough on the rules, but from a programmer standpoint, is it really that tough? It's simply a gathering of data and compiling and comparing it, performing some simple math and displaying results. Now, I'm not a programmer, but I've done a few simple databases over the years, and based on that, I really don't see how this could be too difficult.
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It all depends on how it's currently written and what type of data access, and data objects he's using..

it's pretty much hard to second guess unless you have the source code.
 
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