Winter Brutality 2 Gun and Rifle Competition

Will be attending but it won’t be anything like last year I guarantee that! Not saying that it won’t still be a great time, it’s just we have MAYBE 6 inches of iced up snow right now. I could see my lawn the first week of February, got a small skiff since. Had 3ish feet the same time last year. Spring brutality this year
 
Will be attending but it won’t be anything like last year I guarantee that! Not saying that it won’t still be a great time, it’s just we have MAYBE 6 inches of iced up snow right now. I could see my lawn the first week of February, got a small skiff since. Had 3ish feet the same time last year. Spring brutality this year

Some of us are going too!

Canadian Multigun have said it might be a case of Mud Brutality haha.
 
I'll look forward to the pictures and videos to come out after. Shift work schedule and the 11 hour drive made it impossible this year. Nice to see things like this becoming more common, also REALLY good to see that based on previous events they've hosted it seems to be very open and inviting for newer shooters
 
I'll look forward to the pictures and videos to come out after. Shift work schedule and the 11 hour drive made it impossible this year. Nice to see things like this becoming more common, also REALLY good to see that based on previous events they've hosted it seems to be very open and inviting for newer shooters

Yup they´re very welcoming of shooters of all abilities and they´re coordinating with BC Firearms Academy to enable discounted pistol & holster training so people can rent pistols & gear from them at events safely so people without handguns can keep on doing 2 gun even without personally owning one
 
Yup they´re very welcoming of shooters of all abilities and they´re coordinating with BC Firearms Academy to enable discounted pistol & holster training so people can rent pistols & gear from them at events safely so people without handguns can keep on doing 2 gun even without personally owning one
I'd support the shoot based on this effort alone, kudos
 
This is fantastic news...I'm out of country on the date, but I'll have to make sure my schedule is free for next year, it looks fantastic.

For someone who has shot a few local 3-gun runs, what would a fella want to do to get ready for something like this? I have a home range, I can do almost anything out to ~250, but I'm assuming the tricky part is endurance?? I don't mind the cold if there's coffee, but at 55 the old bones fight me a little more than they used to so wondering what training is worthwhile (hopefully not a stupid question). Also, I had a black badge in Ont before the move, but haven't hit a match in 2 years, what do I have to have for holster out here? thanks guys, man this looks fun.
 
This is fantastic news...I'm out of country on the date, but I'll have to make sure my schedule is free for next year, it looks fantastic.

For someone who has shot a few local 3-gun runs, what would a fella want to do to get ready for something like this? I have a home range, I can do almost anything out to ~250, but I'm assuming the tricky part is endurance?? I don't mind the cold if there's coffee, but at 55 the old bones fight me a little more than they used to so wondering what training is worthwhile (hopefully not a stupid question). Also, I had a black badge in Ont before the move, but haven't hit a match in 2 years, what do I have to have for holster out here? thanks guys, man this looks fun.

Preparation is pretty simple,the events are very safety orientated and the general mottos are "don´t do anything you can´t do safely" and "we don´t care if you don´t do part of a stage because you can´t do it safely, you´ll get a bunch of penalties but still be able to do the rest of the match vs getting hurt or being unsafe and getting DQ´d"

Basically each event is a competition and it is taken seriously from a competitive perspective but everyone is there to have fun and that´s what they want you to have. This is why the events are so welcoming, because everyone there is cheering, celebrating and laughing not rushing forward hoping to spot a hit on a no shoot or arguing that the hole is mostly in the C zone not the A zone or whatever. You survive the event with everyone else, if you go in with a super IPSC attitude you might have a bad time.

So I digressed

Ranges: If you can practice out to 300m with PCC/Rifle the events reward accuracy at longer ranges. 250 is probably fine so long as you know the holds required for 300

Endurance: Each stage has a par time of 4min, how you approach that is up to you and your personal fitness but remember it´s a maximum of 4 minutes hard work then an hour to recover, it is achievable. Note: Perhaps once or twice in an event there may be a longer piece of work such as the stretcher carry where a squad had to carry someone 600m on a stretcher then from a static position shoot at targets out to 300m. Generally from what I´ve seen the event organisers recognise not everyone is 21 anymore and so if half the squad takes longer to get back to the firing line the other half has the choice of going back to help them or do press ups. This means the younger and fitter do more work and it helps even things out. Yes it´s not perfect but life is brutal and doesn´t care about how ageing is sucky. Also there are different divisions, Armoured division requires the shooter to carry a certain level of weight so you can simply avoid those divisions. Also where an obstacle can´t be overcome by someone there is normally an alternative. e.g. if you´re no longer able to climb over an 8ft wall they´ll let your crawl for a distance to become equally tired and consume time. It is frowned upon heavily to try and "game" the stage by taking advantage of this and can result in being beasted. e.g. If you´re a healthy 25yr old and you opt to crawl instead of climb the wall to try and game things so you get a shorter time you might find yourself crawling for longer than planned. Generally though the people who try to avoid the spirit of the event have a habit of not sticking around and/or being unabale to game many aspects of it.

note: Most people would benefit from losing several lbs of fat which several people I know have done after attending one of these events

Personal training: Lift some weights, practice correct body posture for lifting weights, do some steady state hiking then jogging or swimming (to reduce stress on joints), and lose some weight

Equipment: Race gear fails big time, keep it simple and effective. You may need to crawl through snow/mud or climb over an obstacle, your kit needs to be hard wearing and effective. Mag pouches and holsters in particular must be hardy. In one video I saw of a squad of 10 crawling 25m afterterwards there were several magazines, and other equipment left on the floor. I would advise having active retention for holsters.

You don´t need blackbadge and many of the events don´t even require one to reduce barriers to entry

At Night Brutality and the upcoming Winter Brutality the organisers arranged for free coffee for everyone from Pro Patria Coffee who are awesome and make really good coffee. At Winter Brutality last year Sterling Arms International made free hotdogs and hot drinks for everyone all day. There were also fire barrels

One guy I saw at Night Brutality was attending his first event and the company owner took an hour out of his time to walk him through everything and make him feel welcome. At the same event prizes were given out to those who put their hands up and said they were no longer safe to shoot because they were too tired and the owner made sure to shake their hands and thank them.

You will struggle to find a better culture than at these events
 
Preparation is pretty simple,the events are very safety orientated and the general mottos are "don´t do anything you can´t do safely" and "we don´t care if you don´t do part of a stage because you can´t do it safely, you´ll get a bunch of penalties but still be able to do the rest of the match vs getting hurt or being unsafe and getting DQ´d"

Basically each event is a competition and it is taken seriously from a competitive perspective but everyone is there to have fun and that´s what they want you to have. This is why the events are so welcoming, because everyone there is cheering, celebrating and laughing not rushing forward hoping to spot a hit on a no shoot or arguing that the hole is mostly in the C zone not the A zone or whatever. You survive the event with everyone else, if you go in with a super IPSC attitude you might have a bad time.

So I digressed

Ranges: If you can practice out to 300m with PCC/Rifle the events reward accuracy at longer ranges. 250 is probably fine so long as you know the holds required for 300

Endurance: Each stage has a par time of 4min, how you approach that is up to you and your personal fitness but remember it´s a maximum of 4 minutes hard work then an hour to recover, it is achievable. Note: Perhaps once or twice in an event there may be a longer piece of work such as the stretcher carry where a squad had to carry someone 600m on a stretcher then from a static position shoot at targets out to 300m. Generally from what I´ve seen the event organisers recognise not everyone is 21 anymore and so if half the squad takes longer to get back to the firing line the other half has the choice of going back to help them or do press ups. This means the younger and fitter do more work and it helps even things out. Yes it´s not perfect but life is brutal and doesn´t care about how ageing is sucky. Also there are different divisions, Armoured division requires the shooter to carry a certain level of weight so you can simply avoid those divisions. Also where an obstacle can´t be overcome by someone there is normally an alternative. e.g. if you´re no longer able to climb over an 8ft wall they´ll let your crawl for a distance to become equally tired and consume time. It is frowned upon heavily to try and "game" the stage by taking advantage of this and can result in being beasted. e.g. If you´re a healthy 25yr old and you opt to crawl instead of climb the wall to try and game things so you get a shorter time you might find yourself crawling for longer than planned. Generally though the people who try to avoid the spirit of the event have a habit of not sticking around and/or being unabale to game many aspects of it.

note: Most people would benefit from losing several lbs of fat which several people I know have done after attending one of these events

Personal training: Lift some weights, practice correct body posture for lifting weights, do some steady state hiking then jogging or swimming (to reduce stress on joints), and lose some weight

Equipment: Race gear fails big time, keep it simple and effective. You may need to crawl through snow/mud or climb over an obstacle, your kit needs to be hard wearing and effective. Mag pouches and holsters in particular must be hardy. In one video I saw of a squad of 10 crawling 25m afterterwards there were several magazines, and other equipment left on the floor. I would advise having active retention for holsters.

You don´t need blackbadge and many of the events don´t even require one to reduce barriers to entry

At Night Brutality and the upcoming Winter Brutality the organisers arranged for free coffee for everyone from Pro Patria Coffee who are awesome and make really good coffee. At Winter Brutality last year Sterling Arms International made free hotdogs and hot drinks for everyone all day. There were also fire barrels

One guy I saw at Night Brutality was attending his first event and the company owner took an hour out of his time to walk him through everything and make him feel welcome. At the same event prizes were given out to those who put their hands up and said they were no longer safe to shoot because they were too tired and the owner made sure to shake their hands and thank them.

You will struggle to find a better culture than at these events


Dude, that was an excellent description, that should be on the flyers for the event.

It almost seems like running an event is sort of the best way of figuring out what is needed for the following year, or is there a forum where tactics and equipment is discussed? 300y is a lot harder with a 9mm PCC than with a good scope on a .223, things like that....

Overall this sounds phenomenal.
 
Dude, that was an excellent description, that should be on the flyers for the event.

It almost seems like running an event is sort of the best way of figuring out what is needed for the following year, or is there a forum where tactics and equipment is discussed? 300y is a lot harder with a 9mm PCC than with a good scope on a .223, things like that....

Overall this sounds phenomenal.

300m with a PCC is tough, but you´re only competing against those in your division and PCCs are separate so it´s an equal playing field. It can be done, there are videos on how to reach out to 300 with a PCC and which zero to have.

Reddit r/canadaguns is a great place to post and ask questions. Also check out the company website it has articles on things like how to make the most out of your carbine or how to prepare for shooting in winter conditions

www.canadianmultigun.ca
 
I'm 55 and I'm sure I can do this. Drop maybe 10lbs, run the hills a few times.
The trick will be FAST and accurate target acquisition. Generally, hunting or plinking, we sit and set up our shots with a lot of care and time. Plopping down and pegging something at 300 can't be easy without practice.
 
anyone coming up from lower mainland and uses magrippers or similar ways to reload, please pm me. i got a prototype 556 clip loader and would love to get it 'field tested'.

same applies for someone with SKS/762 guns.

it would have to be somewhat local to me due to my work schedule.
 
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