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Just an update for everyone on my rifle. I had the same issue Machiavellian100 had, I believe. My guide rod plate was stuck in place in the back of the upper, and I had to use a punch to get it to depress to allow me to take the rifle down. I shot 200 rounds flawlessly like this. I reported the issue to Kodiak, and they were not sure what the issue was. I did some tinkering and found I could fit the guide rod plate in and out with room to spare if I put it in backwards, without the rods going in first. It turned out my guide rod holes in the upper were not drilled out enough, and therefore not allowing the rods to properly fit. I sent the rifle back to Kodiak, and they polished the rods down (rather than drill the receiver). I got the rifle back today and it is perfect. I can take down with no punch or tools, and feels great. I have not fired again yet, but I'm sure that's all the issue was.

Kodiak and Owen were great about the whole thing. My only gripe is that I had to pay shipping to them, even though it was their fault. However, I mentioned to Owen that I had a new handguard waiting at home and he loosened the handguard screws for me, the ones everyone seems to have trouble with. So that was nice.

I am very satisfied with the customer service and the rifle. I'm certain that if anything else happens, they will make it right.
 
I think my whole upper was out of spec. The plate issue, the guide rods not sliding, the bolt handle chewing chunks off my upper and for the "piece de resistence", the bolt shattered. All within 100 rounds of use...and of course I paid for my own shipping. No self addressed stamped envelope for this one. Let's see what the next hundred rounds brings my way. It's like playing russian roulette, but in this case you place your head on the butt stock, squeeze the trigger, wait for a bang and hope it comes out the front and not the back. I wonder if they'd be like this if the rifles were going to family members that were going to be deployed in a war zone...I wonder...

I wanted an NR rifle. I didn't want a Chinese rifle, not a Ruger and didn't want to spend 2 grand, I refused to buy a Kel-Tec SU-16 because I was concerned about reliability related to the polymer upper/lower assembly. Ha! So many headaches would have been avoided.

I am also going to be commenting on every YouTube review of this rifle until everyone gets their upgrades at NO cost. Maybe no one will listen, but good luck getting me of the flippin' soapbox!

OK.I'm done griping. Back to technical until I sell the lemon.
 
I did check all the empties from my shooting my 2 WC180 and none of them had this mark or any problem.
 
Machiavellian100 said:
I think my whole upper was out of spec. The plate issue, the guide rods not sliding, the bolt handle chewing chunks off my upper and for the "piece de resistence", the bolt shattered. All within 100 rounds of use...and of course I paid for my own shipping. No self addressed stamped envelope for this one. Let's see what the next hundred rounds brings my way. It's like playing russian roulette, but in this case you place your head on the butt stock, squeeze the trigger, wait for a bang and hope it comes out the front and not the back. I wonder if they'd be like this if the rifles were going to family members that were going to be deployed in a war zone...I wonder...

I wanted an NR rifle. I didn't want a Chinese rifle, not a Ruger and didn't want to spend 2 grand, I refused to buy a Kel-Tec SU-16 because I was concerned about reliability related to the polymer upper/lower assembly. Ha! So many headaches would have been avoided.

I am also going to be commenting on every YouTube review of this rifle until everyone gets their upgrades at NO cost. Maybe no one will listen, but good luck getting me of the flippin' soapbox!

OK.I'm done griping. Back to technical until I sell the lemon.
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Lol
Rolling the dice is what buying canadian gun products is all about.
I sold my 180c and immediately went for a Chinese gun (SKS)
for 200 shipped to my door new in the grease.
It's been an unstoppable flawless rifle. With minor tweaks, tech sights and Trigger job it shoots as good as the Wk180c did (when it did actually feed and fire...) Good to go.
For me paying for the shipping was the final straw with the rifle. I'm in Alberta. That was about 45 bucks. Warranty work done. Still would not feed from any steel mags, bolt handle was still eating the inside of the receiver.
They wanted me to pay another 45 bucks to ship it back again.
Forget it! Who has time and pateince for that nonsense? You drop 1200 dollars to play spin the QC roulette wheel on Canadian made guns. Plain and simple.
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, sell the junk and go back to the Chinese SKS lolol
 
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Obviously now the prototypes that were tested by Mr. Wolverine were workable good firearms..
And again... once production started holding to spec and QC by Kodiak was not possible..
I to wonder what Mr. Wolverine is thinking about with all the warranty work and damaged guns??
I haven't shot mine enough yet.. But I quess I should shoot the shat out of it before the 1 year so called warranty ends
 
The following statement has been released by Kodiak Defence.

The WK 180-C rifle is in current production, Kodiak Defence reserves the right to change details and specifications. We are constantly striving to improve our products. The changes which have occurred are due to customer feedback and suggestions. We value this feedback and use this in our design changes in order to meet our customer demands. Kodiak Defence stands behind the products we manufacture.

If any customers have any cause for concern with their WK 180-C rifle please contact Kodiak Defence at service@kodiakdefence.com

Sales and parts are handled through Wolverine Supplies; sales@wolverinesupplies.com
 
From first post: All WK180-C rifles will carry a full one year warranty against defective material and workmanship. All warranty will be carried out by Kodiak Defence.

BCL has the better warranty:)
 
kuffs06 said:
Don’t you think they should be giving you the parts instead of giving in to them and pay for them? !
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Yes, I don't think they should be charging customers for a replacement upgrade to a part that is obviously an issue. Perhaps a free replacement to those who having issues with the charging handle and legitimate receiver damage. I don't think its a large number of folks having this issue, my rifle is one of the 1st 100, so to me it makes even less sense why they wouldn't offer this fix to those effected. To those who don't have this issue, i'm sure its easy to brush it off as a few guys whining about some scratches on their rifles. But when you have this problem with yours it's a ####ty feeling to see your new gun getting chewed up with zero support from Kodiak. Taking care of the few folks having this problem will be far cheaper in the long run vs all the negative press and word of mouth these guns are getting because of a stonewall warranty service who disagree's with your concerns.

I will reach out to Kodiak when these new threaded BCG and handle's are available mid May and see if they want to step up and resolve my issue but i'm not holding my breath.
 
Wolverine .303 said:
The following statement has been released by Kodiak Defence.

The WK 180-C rifle is in current production, Kodiak Defence reserves the right to change details and specifications. We are constantly striving to improve our products. The changes which have occurred are due to customer feedback and suggestions. We value this feedback and use this in our design changes in order to meet our customer demands. Kodiak Defence stands behind the products we manufacture.

If any customers have any cause for concern with their WK 180-C rifle please contact Kodiak Defence at service@kodiakdefence.com

Sales and parts are handled through Wolverine Supplies; sales@wolverinesupplies.com
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Sounds great, but falls short when their actions don't mirror their statements. My emails from Kodiak support literally say "We stand behind our product, but unfortunately...."
 
We are listening to customer concerns.

Kodiak and Wolverine are working together to mitigate the concerns of WK180-C rifle owners who have bolts fitted with the magnet in the charging handle.

Please allow us a few days grace to formulate a plan.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
We are listening to customer concerns.

Kodiak and Wolverine are working together to mitigate the concerns of WK180-C rifle owners who have bolts fitted with the magnet in the charging handle.

Please allow us a few days grace to formulate a plan.
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I am glad that someone on Wolverine side has heard the complaints and is at least willing to work on it. Thanks John.
 
Travis Bickle said:
Lol
Rolling the dice is what buying canadian gun products is all about.
I sold my 180c and immediately went for a Chinese gun (SKS)
for 200 shipped to my door new in the grease.
It's been an unstoppable flawless rifle. With minor tweaks, tech sights and Trigger job it shoots as good as the Wk180c did (when it did actually feed and fire...) Good to go.
For me paying for the shipping was the final straw with the rifle. I'm in Alberta. That was about 45 bucks. Warranty work done. Still would not feed from any steel mags, bolt handle was still eating the inside of the receiver.
They wanted me to pay another 45 bucks to ship it back again.
Forget it! Who has time and pateince for that nonsense? You drop 1200 dollars to play spin the QC roulette wheel on Canadian made guns. Plain and simple.
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, sell the junk and go back to the Chinese SKS lolol
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I may follow suit. I just paid for shipping from BC. To add insult to injury, you need to look at Kodiak's latest post on IG. Very appropriate for easter. Reminded me of Pontius Pilates
 
Wolverine .303 said:
The following statement has been released by Kodiak Defence.

The WK 180-C rifle is in current production, Kodiak Defence reserves the right to change details and specifications. We are constantly striving to improve our products. The changes which have occurred are due to customer feedback and suggestions. We value this feedback and use this in our design changes in order to meet our customer demands. Kodiak Defence stands behind the products we manufacture.

If any customers have any cause for concern with their WK 180-C rifle please contact Kodiak Defence at service@kodiakdefence.com

Sales and parts are handled through Wolverine Supplies; sales@wolverinesupplies.com
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Actions speak louder that words. A design flaw is causing severe damage to a lot of rfles, it's tarnishing your reputation, and instead of acknowledging and fixing it, you go head on with your customers telling them it's cosmetic. We're not idiots and most of us have owned and own many guns of many brands, so we're not new to issues either. Change designs, make it better, charge for updates, sure, but a self destructing rifle is a manufacturing issue and has to be covered by warranty. Nobody is amused by the stubborn attitude. You are not standing by your product, your standing by not affecting the bottom line.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
We are listening to customer concerns.

Kodiak and Wolverine are working together to mitigate the concerns of WK180-C rifle owners who have bolts fitted with the magnet in the charging handle.

Please allow us a few days grace to formulate a plan.
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After seeing the reports of the damage, this is my only concern with this rifle. Otherwise I am very happy, even after my guide rod hole issue.

I would imagine something like us sending in our bolt carriers and handles to Kodiak at their expense, to have them either modify and add the threads, or outright replace and recycle our existing ones, would be a fair solution.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
We are listening to customer concerns.

Kodiak and Wolverine are working together to mitigate the concerns of WK180-C rifle owners who have bolts fitted with the magnet in the charging handle.

Please allow us a few days grace to formulate a plan.
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Thank you John for this post. I have already had a bit of the inside o my receiver damaged due to the bolt handle scratches. Looking forward to a permanent fix to this as I love the rifle other than that.
 
Machiavellian100 said:
I may follow suit. I just paid for shipping from BC. To add insult to injury, you need to look at Kodiak's latest post on IG. Very appropriate for easter. Reminded me of Pontius Pilates
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The rifle has a lot of potential to be fair and I will give credit where it's due for what they attempted to bring to the table here with this to be clear.
But right now its half baked, underdeveloped, spotty customer service and transparency issues from the manufacturer, bad practices of charging the consumer to ship a defective product back for warranty, brushing off rifles literally crumbling from the inside as you shoot them as "cosmetic" (come on FFS...)

I don't like the idea that they rushed this product to market to make sales so they could work out the bugs, fix the half baked portions that were obviously overlooked after they banked some dollars. It's either that or they didn't know/didn't test the rifles off the line (also known as sampling and quality control) before rushing them out and are now handling this in the same manner as they are now regardless of which way it went down.

Couple that with the responses on "cosmetic" wear, attributing customers having bad feeding issues/jams to the magazines (magazines that work in every single other STANAG rifle under the sun), making us pay for shipping because they dropped the ball etc
It went one of two ways; they knew the initial rifles off the line had these problems and pushed them out anyhow to make bank or they didn't. Either way the way they have been handling some of the actual real problems with the guns that have come up is the same and it's unsat.

One thing that amazes me more than any of this is the willingness of us Canadian consumers to excuse it all and not be upset or even worse willing to bend over and play ball with this horses**t because "well its a cheap NR black rifle, we should be thankful" etc lol Yeah no thanks, f**k that. Where does that put their priority and respect for us as consumers who they are supposed to be making these for!? They didn't do us a favour bringing this to market. We don't owe them anything, that's not how product development, manufacture and consumer purchase works. We give them well over a thousand dollars for their product. Part of the deal is you're supposed to get a product that's ready for use good to go and I'll be damned if I'm going to pretend it's okay. Sorry. I'm not an idiot and I don't like being played.

Even if I got lucky on the dice roll and got one of the ones that worked reasonably well, I would not be on the Stockholm Syndrome camp on this. I 100% don't doubt that SOME of the rifles work. But that's exactly the problem here; consistency and quality on a $1200 product is not there and a lot of the responsibility on this has been dumped on the consumer for putting their faith in the manufacturer. And that's flat out wrong no matter how much I try to see both sides of this.

I legitimately hope they get their collective s**t together. At this point I'm so disappointed and distrustful of any gun product produced in this country that even IF they do work out all these issues and manage to produce a consistent product AND make it right for all the consumers who got f**ked on this. I'll not be engaging. Forget it. I've gone back to proven Norc designs now (some are also s**t ie the T97 etc) SKS, M305's, 1911's etc Maybe I'll put my money back into the domestic market when I see something worth spending it on. That's not right now clearly.

That's my rant lol TB out.
 
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Travis Bickle said:
The rifle has a lot of potential to be fair and I will give credit where it's due for what they attempted to bring to the table here with this to be clear.
But right now its half baked, underdeveloped, spotty customer service and transparency issues from the manufacturer, bad practices of charging the consumer to ship a defective product back for warranty, brushing off rifles literally crumbling from the inside as you shoot them as "cosmetic" (come on FFS...)

I don't like the idea that they rushed this product to market to make sales so they could work out the bugs, fix the half baked portions that were obviously overlooked after they banked some dollars. It's either that or they didn't know/didn't test the rifles off the line (also known as sampling and quality control) before rushing them out and are now handling this in the same manner as they are now regardless of which way it went down.

Couple that with the responses on "cosmetic" wear, attributing customers having bad feeding issues/jams to the magazines (magazines that work in every single other STANAG rifle under the sun), making us pay for shipping because they dropped the ball etc
It went one of two ways; they knew the initial rifles off the line had these problems and pushed them out anyhow to make bank or they didn't. Either way the way they have been handling some of the actual real problems with the guns that have come up is the same and it's unsat.

One thing that amazes me more than any of this is the willingness of us Canadian consumers to excuse it all and not be upset or even worse willing to bend over and play ball with this horses**t because "well its a cheap NR black rifle, we should be thankful" etc lol Yeah no thanks, f**k that. Where does that put their priority and respect for us as consumers who they are supposed to be making these for!? They didn't do us a favour bringing this to market. We don't owe them anything, that's not how product development, manufacture and consumer purchase works. We give them well over a thousand dollars for their product. Part of the deal is you're supposed to get a product that's ready for use good to go and I'll be damned if I'm going to pretend it's okay. Sorry. I'm not an idiot and I don't like being played.

Even if I got lucky on the dice roll and got one of the ones that worked reasonably well, I would not be on the Stockholm Syndrome camp on this. I 100% don't doubt that SOME of the rifles work. But that's exactly the problem here; consistency and quality on a $1200 product is not there and a lot of the responsibility on this has been dumped on the consumer for putting their faith in the manufacturer. And that's flat out wrong no matter how much I try to see both sides of this.

I legitimately hope they get their collective s**t together. At this point I'm so disappointed and distrustful of any gun product produced in this country that even IF they do work out all these issues and manage to produce a consistent product AND make it right for all the consumers who got f**ked on this. I'll not be engaging. Forget it. I've gone back to proven Norc designs now (some are also s**t ie the T97 etc) SKS, M305's, 1911's etc Maybe I'll put my money back into the domestic market when I see something worth spending it on. That's not right now clearly.

That's my rant lol TB out.
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BRAVO! Agreed! I feel insulted and cheated. I will be getting rid of mine and buying an SU16 feom Keltec. They honor their warranty, for life.
 
Finally had a chance to speak with someone at Kodiak. I’ll be sending my rifle back on for inspection as they did finally agree it’s showing signs of wear and not just cosmetic. After a conversation I can say they are trying to come up with a more cost affective fix to the existing rifles with magnetic charging handles as the bolts and new handles are expensive. I’m satisfied with the conversation I had and will keep you posted. I just wish I could have had that from the beginning and not have to had get so aggravated first.
 
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