Sorry if this question has been asked before and I missed it. Why are there so many wk180 gen 1's up for resale on EE? It seems like a reasonably built rifle and doesn't feel cheap when shouldered. I have yet to shoot mine. Is there some touch ups I can do to it to prevent range failures? I read about tightening gas screw with loctite and perhaps upgrading recoil spring but I shouldn't have to do that lol...do these shoot well out of the box?
Wk180 why so unpopular
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Because 5 years ago we had mid level AR15s for $1000 and when you compare that to an WK with screws falling off for almost the same price people will say its not the same value for money. So some are used to the good old days of $1400 XCRs or $1500 Colt Canada AR and unfortunately those days are gone.
fritzhanzel
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There are many for sale because people are asking too much for them. I haven't seen them but Tenda and SFRC are offering "factory blemish" for under 1K, maybe it is not factory blemish because why would they have so many of them? Others paid $1,300 plus 12 or 13 % tax and are asking over 1K as used rifles.
Then there is generation 2 which suggests those are better but from what I have heard, the gen 1 and 2 both have (solvable) issues but since there are so many bad reviews out there, people are hesitant buying them.
fritzhanzel
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If you sell used, the price has to be attractive for very common firearms or components. People are using credit cards more than ever, a sign of a weakening economy. I have seen those WK180 go as low as $550, if you are asking $950 cash/EMT, and a dealer has one for a bit more but accepts cc, you are out of luck.
Think about all the people who paid $1K for their Kel Tec Sub 2000.
Think about all the people who paid $1K for their Kel Tec Sub 2000.
Because they are JUNK!
I had 2 when they first came out, the mag well isn't machined deep enough, won't strip the first round with most of the mags available in Canada, also when it did work the bolt starting 'eating away" the receiver, sent back for return and they said "its normal wear and tear on the receiver" lol
Sold them at a loss with full disclosure
Never again
I had 2 when they first came out, the mag well isn't machined deep enough, won't strip the first round with most of the mags available in Canada, also when it did work the bolt starting 'eating away" the receiver, sent back for return and they said "its normal wear and tear on the receiver" lol
Sold them at a loss with full disclosure
Never again
Non-phixion
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Its an absolute garbage rod of a rifle. These fly by night Canadian manufacturers are worse than Sig for beta testing their product on the customer. It started with NEA and other people obviously took notice you can build and sell garbage in Canada and as long as people know its made in Canada some will buy it.
I had non-stop issues with mine as well. A buddy built one and I never saw so.many stoppages. Perhaps it's his fault some of course but I really believe they just aren't well designed, like pretty much everything Canada puts out lately. We have manufacturers that can't even put out reasonably reliable and safe guns based on decades old designs.
I was interested in buying one and was holding off until the 2 came to see if it was any better. The reviews on them aren’t good so I ended up not buying one. Still trying to decide what I want. For the same money I know I can get something better.
My buddy has a gen 1, given how many bad reviews there are, his runs reliably and is surprisingly accurate for what it is. I ended up buying a Kel Tec SU16 because I wanted something light. We constantly put these head to head and have ultimately concluded it is shooter preference.
As a side note I think the trigger on the WK180 feels like a rusty staple gun, but my buddy likes it. Glad its his gun then.
As a side note I think the trigger on the WK180 feels like a rusty staple gun, but my buddy likes it. Glad its his gun then.
My gen 1 WK was 100% reliable....after I broke a bunch of stuff, replaced the upper/carrier with a TNA steel upper/carrier, added an adjustable gas block, brass bushing and installed an aftermarket trigger. And replaced all the small parts in the bolt because it developed extraction issues due to low quality chinesium.
Mine cracked a carrier that took out a guide rod, chewed the hell out the upper right out of the box due to their awful machining tolerances of their magnetic charging handle (we were told that was normal lmao), broke a dozen threaded handles with their new carrier, cost me two round trips to the gun shop because the top rail wasn't made to spec so neither the Eotech and Vortex UH1 I bought would physically fit on the rifle. And that trigger, the grittiest 11lbs I've ever touched. Whatever chinesium it was made of didn't improve at all after 15 minutes of doing the paracord trick. It literally went in the garbage.
Great fkn rifle, so quality!
Some guys claim to have great accuracy from theirs, mine must have been made on a Friday. With multiple kinds of match ammo, a geissele ssa-e trigger and my 5-25 Midas Tac I couldn't put 5 rounds under 2.5" at 100m. It's a 4 moa rifle at best with bulk, worse than an x95 by a fair margin. And dear God does it copper foul, you can feel the machining marks in the damn barrel while cleaning. Like cleaning a washboard.
Mine came with a pinned gas block, so I never killed a piston. The new ones aren't pinned so you'd better use high heat loctite and check often or you'll add yourself to the large number that have snapped pistons. The only thing that improved with the gen 2 was the charging handle issue, all the other issues remain. And you get to pay $400-500 more than we did for our gen 1s.
So the answer to why they're unpopular is because they're bottom of the barrel quality that they happily overcharge you for because they know your options for affordable black rifles are limited. You'd be MUCH better off buying a SU16 or finding a T97.
Mine cracked a carrier that took out a guide rod, chewed the hell out the upper right out of the box due to their awful machining tolerances of their magnetic charging handle (we were told that was normal lmao), broke a dozen threaded handles with their new carrier, cost me two round trips to the gun shop because the top rail wasn't made to spec so neither the Eotech and Vortex UH1 I bought would physically fit on the rifle. And that trigger, the grittiest 11lbs I've ever touched. Whatever chinesium it was made of didn't improve at all after 15 minutes of doing the paracord trick. It literally went in the garbage.
Great fkn rifle, so quality!
Some guys claim to have great accuracy from theirs, mine must have been made on a Friday. With multiple kinds of match ammo, a geissele ssa-e trigger and my 5-25 Midas Tac I couldn't put 5 rounds under 2.5" at 100m. It's a 4 moa rifle at best with bulk, worse than an x95 by a fair margin. And dear God does it copper foul, you can feel the machining marks in the damn barrel while cleaning. Like cleaning a washboard.
Mine came with a pinned gas block, so I never killed a piston. The new ones aren't pinned so you'd better use high heat loctite and check often or you'll add yourself to the large number that have snapped pistons. The only thing that improved with the gen 2 was the charging handle issue, all the other issues remain. And you get to pay $400-500 more than we did for our gen 1s.
So the answer to why they're unpopular is because they're bottom of the barrel quality that they happily overcharge you for because they know your options for affordable black rifles are limited. You'd be MUCH better off buying a SU16 or finding a T97.
I have a wsmcr. I am just waiting for someone to come out with a better piston design as it is going to be a liability. The issues I had were related to the firing pin retaining pin sheering and ejecting the firing pin into the rear of the receiver. I rotate the pin to even out the wear. I am on my third one.
First one I had was sent back to kodiak for some warranty issues. When it came back it ran great. My second one has never had any issues and with federal 55 gr. Premium ammo I shot a 1” group at 200 yards. It has shot a ton of coyotes and works great.
I have a Gen 2 and mine functions fine. I take care of my rifles and run good ammo in them. Really though...the internet is full of people that ##### and whine....those that are happy usually don't waste their time complaining.
