Wolf hatred????

Are wolves being shot for:

  • Sport

    Votes: 14 9.3%

  • Hate

    Votes: 6 4.0%

  • Fear

    Votes: 7 4.7%

  • Damage to cattle or sheep

    Votes: 18 12.0%

  • All of the above!

    Votes: 77 51.3%

  • Game control

    Votes: 28 18.7%
  • Total voters
    150
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Just thinking back about the guy that taped the wolves running towards him. Alot of guys were screaming shoot it, shoot it. Now I'm wondering why?

First off, don't get me wrong, most of you guys know I'm not against anything legal and I've shot my fair share of yotes, in fact all I've gotta do is skin it and I've got a buddy that will tan it up for me, he just finished hanging one in the deer camp this season. What I'm trying to figure out about them is there an actual hatred for them?

Are they causing damage in the west, are they even being hunted in the east? I notice alot of our members that hunt predators are more western than the rest.

I walk my property all the time, maybe with a 22 for the porky's that are skirting my maples but thats another subject. Anyways, I've had wolves parallel me at about 75 yds and just seem curious, I've had a pack of them ##### cross behind me on the trail and stay about 50 yds back, not sure why but I was never afraid of a wolf, never will be. How many humans have they actually attacked?

What the real question being posed is: are wolves being hunted for sport or hate?
 
You should also state all of the above, cause that's what it is. Many folks are scared of wolves because of their reputation. Although there has only been the one confirmed case of wolves killing a person, that I know of. They do terrible damage to wildlife, if unchecked. And when the wildlife is gone, they turn to live stock. No different than coyotes. Wolves are a big trophy to hunters on trips up North. Here, we can shoot one a year, with out a lisence, during any big game season that's open. Hardly anyone does. I saw one wolf so close, I thought about it. It was out of season, and as it came down the hill right at me, it was only yards away. That was out of fear. It was affraid too. It ran, but I didn't shoot. I collected myself, and took off after it. I'm glad I did, as I saw a magnificant sight that only very few people have. It was after a whitetail buck. The deer fought it off, and when I scared it back up the hill, the deer had it's rack low to defend itself. All this at 10 yards! I can say I'm not affraid of them. But it wouldn't be true. Otherwise I never would have even thought about bringing up my rifle. I think it is just built in to us. They are a beautiful animal, and deserve respect. But they have to be controlled like anything else.
 
I didn't vote because I don't know whether the question relates to me only or my opinion as to why I think that others generally shoot them. Back in the 17th and 18th century, Europeans were scared of wolves because of myths that were passed on through generations. I know, I was raised on such stories from my parents. Nowadays, the wolf has been extinct from Europe, this hopefully will never happen here. Wolves are a beautiful animal and have every right to a piece of this planet just as we and other animals do. In my opinion, we should be more concerned about golfers, and land developers. Look what they are doing to perfectly good pastures and wildlife habitat.
 
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I can say I'm not affraid of them. But it wouldn't be true. Otherwise I never would have even thought about bringing up my rifle.
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I wouldn't call that fear, I'd just call that plain old self defense. I can honestly say I'm not afraid of them but if I had one coming at me I'm pretty sure I'd have my gun up to just in case he did wanna see what my leg tasted like. Actually if one was 20 yds or less from me I'd probably put it down as well cause he's showing no fear of man. Following behind me at 50 yds and walking beside me at 100 yds at least shows they're being cautious cause they know were dangerous.
 
if you research it Joe wolves have attacked more than people think over the years, there hybrid relatives have also attacked humans and have been banned for ownership in many places due to there natural agretion, as fom me, no wolves dont scare me atall, but I will light into a pack every chance I get here, scientificly proven 1 wolf can consume upwards of 20 deer a year (Foxer has the more exact numbers) I spend 12-15 hours a day in the bush of north central BC and theres alot of wolves here and alot less moose and deer each year, granted last winter was a terrible one and the wildlife took a beating with 5 feet of snow in 1 night and it didnt stop snowing until may, I just think a few less wolves in this area wouldnt hurt the ungulates
 
If you've got a lot of wolves around, your deer population won't disappear, but it won't grow either. They'll team up and kill the fawns. But game control isn't on the list so I didn't vote.
 
Deer and wolves we here long before we were. So if they haven't killed all the deer before we arrived, what has changed?

Unfortantly to correct mistakes of the past, i think calculated predator control is needed. Along with people control.

Also, when you hear that wolves haven't killed anyone. You also hear the words "In North American."
Wolves have actually killed alot of people in India in the past. A lone wolf would come at night and silently drag babies and children from their tents or huts into the field to eat.
In north american I think it's more along the lines of the sick/hybrid wolves who do the most damage.
 
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Took a big timber couple weeks ago while hunting Grande Praire,AB. The wolves ran two cow moose right past my ground blind. I fired a warning shot into the first wolf that emerged at 40 yards moments later (large male). The others stayed in the treeline howling like made, was quite a thrill. Plan to get my taxidermist buddy to make into a rug. Hunted same area in September and we saw 20 black bears in a week!

Geoff in Victoria
 
lone-wolf said:
A lone wolf would come at night and silently drag babies and children from their tents or huts into the field to eat.
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Whaaaaaatttt??? :jerkit: :p

I'm not particularily afraid of them and although I love to see and hear wolves in the backcountry, I'll kill them any chance I get since they've pretty well finished off the Elk population in my favorite areas.
And don't buy into the "endangered" BS, there are plenty of wolves around.
And yes, they have attacked humans in NA
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2005/11/10/wolf-attack051110.html
http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/ENDANGERED/wolf_pics.htm
 
I will not vote because I have never shot one or want to shoot one. I must admit that I grew up with a little bit of fear mostly from the the many children's stories that were pounded into my head at an early age. Though I have heard them, I have never seen one up close and when armed I have no fear, when I hear them. That might change if I was hip deep in a blowing snow. Though I will not vote, I think that many coyote hunters are turning to wolves because they seem to be increasing and there is money to be made. Some of my runnaway Hutterite friends have indicated that is what they plan to do as well.

My wife's cousin got back from his yearly elk hunt a month ago, Got 3 bulls in two days. He said that in spite of their success, they saw few elk and no deer where last year deer were everywhere. He said that everytime they shot or heard the report of a rifle, they heard the wolves. Last year the area had heavy snow that never stopped til spring. Wolves certainly seem to be at the top of their cycle.
 
I've often noticed the irony in some hunters hate for wolves, shoot them on site attitude. Cus they kill all the deer. Wolves are, and always should be part of the equation. If a hunter wants to preach there 'environmentalism' then they should practise what they preach.

IMO outright culls of natural predators should only occur to knock the peaks of those ups and downs in wildlife populations, for that is where they are most vulnerable.

People (Hunters) that kill wildlife out of hate should have their heads examined.
 
Deer and wolves we here long before we were. So if they haven't killed all the deer before we arrived, what has changed?
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Access.

We've cut tens of thousands of miles of new logging roads and opened logging blocks all across bc. In some ways this is very good - the deer and moose populations have grown as a result. But it also allows much easier access by cougars and wolves into the areas deer were traditionally more 'safe'. Also as the packs grow, it's easier for some to travel to new hunting grounds and start a new pack, so the distribution of animals tends to go up.

changes in the forest don't help either. With the beetlekill happening, the animals have lost some of their defensive advantage now that the big timber is dead.

And our activities also have a bad habit of creating 'booms' in populations that weren't the case in the past. Deer populations in an area start to climb dramatically - and the wolf populations climb along with it. Suddenly the deer population stops growing, (or in the event of a really bad winter actually shrinks) but the wolf population continues for a year or so. Now you've got more wolves than the deer can support, and that tends to lead to decreasing numbers for quite a while.

So, lots of things have changed.

I don't go out looking for 'em, but i'll drop a wolf or a yote if I get half a chance while i'm out hunting. Especially in an area i hunt.
 
gitrdun said:
...In my opinion, we should be more concerned about golfers, and land developers. Look what they are doing to perfectly good pastures and wildlife habitat.
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You got that right! Golf courses and urban sprawl are way more of a threat to wildlife (and wild places) than any predator species.
 
Cus they kill all the deer. Wolves are, and always should be part of the equation. If a hunter wants to preach there 'environmentalism' then they should practise what they preach.
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Well the fact is, there is ZERO chance under normal conditions of wiping out wolves from an area by hunting. You pretty much have to use traps, poisons or aircraft/other techniques.

But thining 'em out doesn't hurt :) They'll still be there. But they can sustain almost 20 percent losses every year and still maintain a stable population. That's one of the highest out there. Some die every year from natural causes, but if we zap a few as well it helps cap the population.
 
Foxer said:
You're saying we should shoot the golfers? :D
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Well, I thought you were referring to golfers... :D:D:D

Foxer said:
But thining 'em out doesn't hurt :) They'll still be there. But they can sustain almost 20 percent losses every year and still maintain a stable population. That's one of the highest out there. Some die every year from natural causes, but if we zap a few as well it helps cap the population.
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Foxer said:
You're saying we should shoot the golfers? :D
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Don't be silly ;) I said "concerned". Maybe Tazer?....ooops :D

Now, I did cast my vote - "game control". However, shooting for profit, cattle damage, hatred and fear don't fit into my reasoning.
 
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Yes, here in Alberta wolves are legal to hunt. Elk are beautiful and majestic creatures that I also hunt, with all due respect and vey much enjoy on the BBQ.
 
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