Wolf hatred????
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I've never shot a wolf and don't know that I will or not, I agree with Huntinstuff, but those wild dogs you mention, yessireee bob. My neighbour ranchers have grazing leases near a reserve. We can tell that they're around when checking cattle, they all bunch up together in a tight formation around their calves. It's a free for all shoot-em up then.
Methinks it is allot of hysterics and ignorance.
Some folks here on Vancouver Island keep bringing wolf stories up, and calling for their total extinction, but in reality the over development of the land is having a much greater damaging effect on our wildlife.
Some folks here on Vancouver Island keep bringing wolf stories up, and calling for their total extinction, but in reality the over development of the land is having a much greater damaging effect on our wildlife.
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I will kill wolves, they hunt me (or rather the moose they think I am), I hunt them back. It's really neat to turn the table on a pack of anxious wolves coming in to a call.
I've got no problem with wolves. They're hunters like us and they have to do what they do to survive. Hunters like us on the other hand will still survive even if we are unlucky at hunting. It seems it's only man that absolutely has no tolerance for competitors - He wants to be the only one who's allowed to hunt the game when he goes out for his weekend a year. I've had friends tell me that there won't be any game around if a wolf pack is in the area and I say "so what"
Get in your 4X4 and go to another area - no big deal.
I've had good shoots at wolves while still hunting but refuse to take them - I'm just glad to have had an opportunity to see them. My buddy gets mad because he hates them so I don't tell him I've seem them. Makes for a nicer Hunting experience I think.
Get in your 4X4 and go to another area - no big deal.
I've had good shoots at wolves while still hunting but refuse to take them - I'm just glad to have had an opportunity to see them. My buddy gets mad because he hates them so I don't tell him I've seem them. Makes for a nicer Hunting experience I think.
The difference between a human hunting and a wolf hunting is that the human uses tools that totally limit the chance of a long lingering death.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen when a poor shot is made, I am saying that we do everything that we can to harvest the animal a quickly as possible.
Now I look at how a wold kills its prey...
I don't hate or fear wolves they are just an animal so I harvest them when the opportunity arises.
I really see a difference...
I'm not saying it doesn't happen when a poor shot is made, I am saying that we do everything that we can to harvest the animal a quickly as possible.
Now I look at how a wold kills its prey...
I don't hate or fear wolves they are just an animal so I harvest them when the opportunity arises.
I really see a difference...
Nope, not correct. Wolves don't lie=ke competitors either, which is why they do battle with grizzly and black bears, and rip yotes to shreds when they get a chance.
Big bears kill little bears. Grizzlies kill black bears.
Nothing in wild is a big fan of the competition.
While I am not against the hunting of wolves I think it is a general misunderstanding of them..taking out the sick, injured and the animals who do not conform to the rest (ie bone structure)...so without wolves eventually one would have a population of unhealthy animals.
Unlike coyotes, wolves due to their nature do not cope well with mortalities, making it easy to decimate an entire population quickly. They are here for a reason and have been around a heck of a lot longer on this continent than we have and everything was hunky dory then eh?
Unlike coyotes, wolves due to their nature do not cope well with mortalities, making it easy to decimate an entire population quickly. They are here for a reason and have been around a heck of a lot longer on this continent than we have and everything was hunky dory then eh?
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People have been killing wolves for 1000's of years and you are right everything has been fine. So lets keep it up to ensure the proper balance of nature.
Also wolves are hunters of opportunity and will take down anything and everything thy can, only a small % of what they kill is actually sick. It takes so many animals to sustain a pack that they would run out of the sick ones right away.
Also wolves are hunters of opportunity and will take down anything and everything thy can, only a small % of what they kill is actually sick. It takes so many animals to sustain a pack that they would run out of the sick ones right away.
Don't mean to jump on you about this Minshall, but Susuki types have spread alot of bs over the years. What you mentioned is some of it.
I'm not for wiping wolves out, but view them as very wastefull animals that need thinning at times.
Their prey isn't always sick or weak. They will kill whatever they can and will wipe out yarded wintering animals if the opportunity presents itself. If a person left behind 3/4 of a moose to rot they would be in deep trouble (rightfully so) but it's OK for wolves to do it?
Tell that to the elk in Yellowstone while there were no wolves.
I'm not for wiping wolves out, but view them as very wastefull animals that need thinning at times.
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if wolves dont do well with mortality why is itwe kick the hell out of them every winter and yet there numbers grow? , YES wolves will kill healthy animals and yes they will waste it if there is imediate food sources available, Ive seen 3 dead moose on a frozen lake 400 miles from anyones pet dog and 2 of them half eaten, overhunting was going to whipe out the grizzly at one time as well, a time were 1 maybe 2 bear attacks occured a year NOT 20 or 30, and lets not get all vegan on it 10 years ago I would be lucky to see 1 or 2 wolves a year and MAYBE 1 grizz if I looked hard in my immediate area now I see wolves weekly and grizz are a common site, hunting just wipes them out EH? HOSER!!!!
Ive seen wolves hamstring cattle and just leave them like that. After a few days the wound festers and the animal gets sick with fever.The wound stinks and fills with magots, easy for the wolves to sniff out,and easy to finish off if the farmer don't find his cow first. I'm sure they treat moose the same ,a quick slash and an easy take down a few days later,less risk of injry to the wolf. yup wolves take only the sick!
So this Fish and Wildlife Technologist doesnt know anything....
Those are more than likely a cross between wolf and dog..we have the same problem with coy dogs...
From the USFWS
6) If wolf numbers get too high, will deer and elk be eliminated?
No, wolves have lived with their prey for many thousands of years, and the health of wolf populations is dependent on the health of their prey base. Under certain conditions wolves can cause local decreases in prey numbers. But if deer and elk numbers were to decline over an extended period of time, due to severe winter conditions or habitat changes, wolves would have less food available and their health would decline. They would then produce fewer pups and fewer pups would survive to adulthood. Also, more adult wolves would die because of poor health or in conflicts with other wolves. Thus, wolf numbers would decline before their prey could be eliminated.
Isle Royale, Michigan, serves as a living laboratory to illustrate this point. One female gray wolf naturally emigrated to this island (about 132,000 acres) more than 50 years ago and eventually three packs were established. Their primary prey is moose. Through the years the numbers of moose and wolves have fluctuated, but after 50 years a moose population continues to survive on Isle Royale.
7) How do wolves in an area affect deer hunting?
In general, wolves kill less vigorous members of prey species, including old, newborn, diseased, and injured animals. When weather events occur that reduce the ability of the habitat to support deer, such as deep snowfalls or drought, wolves may further reduce deer numbers. For example, since wolves became protected in northern Minnesota in 1978, there has been a high and even increasing harvest of deer by hunters. But two consecutive hard winters (1995‑96 and 1996‑97) reduced the size of the state’s northern deer herd, which in turn resulted in much lower deer harvests. Wolves likely were accountable for a portion of the lower deer numbers and, in turn, the lower deer harvest. Subsequent mild winters have now resulted in a rebounding of the deer herd, despite the increasing wolf population. The last three years have produced the highest deer harvests ever, with Minnesota deer hunters harvesting over 250,000 white-tailed deer during each of those hunting seasons – an approximate five-fold increase in hunter deer harvest since wolves were listed under the ESA in 1978.
8) Do wolves really take the old, young, sick, starving, or injured animals?
It is well-documented that wolves tend to do this. Hunting and bringing down big game is dangerous work and wolves are sometimes killed by elk, moose, and even deer. In the wild, they cannot afford to be injured; therefore, they go after the safest animals to kill and often leave strong animals alone. A recent study of wolf predation on elk in Yellowstone National Park, for example, found that wolves tend to kill calves and older animals – adult elk killed by wolves were about 7 years older than elk killed by hunters. If weather or other conditions make prey unusually vulnerable, wolves can and do kill prime-aged animals but wolf predation tends to be selective.
9) Do wolves kill more than they can eat?
Sometimes, but rarely. The few times that wolves have been documented killing more than they could eat were when conditions such as deep snow or other unusual circumstances made it easy for them to kill their prey. Even then, they returned to those kills and continued to use them.
Those are more than likely a cross between wolf and dog..we have the same problem with coy dogs...
From the USFWS
6) If wolf numbers get too high, will deer and elk be eliminated?
No, wolves have lived with their prey for many thousands of years, and the health of wolf populations is dependent on the health of their prey base. Under certain conditions wolves can cause local decreases in prey numbers. But if deer and elk numbers were to decline over an extended period of time, due to severe winter conditions or habitat changes, wolves would have less food available and their health would decline. They would then produce fewer pups and fewer pups would survive to adulthood. Also, more adult wolves would die because of poor health or in conflicts with other wolves. Thus, wolf numbers would decline before their prey could be eliminated.
Isle Royale, Michigan, serves as a living laboratory to illustrate this point. One female gray wolf naturally emigrated to this island (about 132,000 acres) more than 50 years ago and eventually three packs were established. Their primary prey is moose. Through the years the numbers of moose and wolves have fluctuated, but after 50 years a moose population continues to survive on Isle Royale.
7) How do wolves in an area affect deer hunting?
In general, wolves kill less vigorous members of prey species, including old, newborn, diseased, and injured animals. When weather events occur that reduce the ability of the habitat to support deer, such as deep snowfalls or drought, wolves may further reduce deer numbers. For example, since wolves became protected in northern Minnesota in 1978, there has been a high and even increasing harvest of deer by hunters. But two consecutive hard winters (1995‑96 and 1996‑97) reduced the size of the state’s northern deer herd, which in turn resulted in much lower deer harvests. Wolves likely were accountable for a portion of the lower deer numbers and, in turn, the lower deer harvest. Subsequent mild winters have now resulted in a rebounding of the deer herd, despite the increasing wolf population. The last three years have produced the highest deer harvests ever, with Minnesota deer hunters harvesting over 250,000 white-tailed deer during each of those hunting seasons – an approximate five-fold increase in hunter deer harvest since wolves were listed under the ESA in 1978.
8) Do wolves really take the old, young, sick, starving, or injured animals?
It is well-documented that wolves tend to do this. Hunting and bringing down big game is dangerous work and wolves are sometimes killed by elk, moose, and even deer. In the wild, they cannot afford to be injured; therefore, they go after the safest animals to kill and often leave strong animals alone. A recent study of wolf predation on elk in Yellowstone National Park, for example, found that wolves tend to kill calves and older animals – adult elk killed by wolves were about 7 years older than elk killed by hunters. If weather or other conditions make prey unusually vulnerable, wolves can and do kill prime-aged animals but wolf predation tends to be selective.
9) Do wolves kill more than they can eat?
Sometimes, but rarely. The few times that wolves have been documented killing more than they could eat were when conditions such as deep snow or other unusual circumstances made it easy for them to kill their prey. Even then, they returned to those kills and continued to use them.
Unfortunately, the Fish and Wildlife Technologist knows what he/she has learned from primarily from books written by wingnuts posing as experts
. Even worse, they post them as absolute on the web and their bs is distributed to the masses.
This last Oct when I was working (prospecting) just west of Chetwynd I watched a pack of 8 wolves (to far away for me to shoot unfortunatly) chasing a herd of cattle.
A couple of them did some slashing on the trailing cow but she was able to keep going eventually the wolves gave up the chase.
I would have shot everyone of the wolves if I had the chance...
A couple of them did some slashing on the trailing cow but she was able to keep going eventually the wolves gave up the chase.
I would have shot everyone of the wolves if I had the chance...
I wonder why the US Federal Wildlife Service knows so much about wolves when they killed them all years ago down there and have to import ours now
Seriously though. If us evil humans all f**ked off from north america and let the critters be, a natural balance of prey and preditors would end up happening eventually. It takes many seasons though for a spike in the wolf population to whipe out virtually all the ungulates to a point where the wolves "breed less" (because they are starving) and their numbers collapse to let the ungulate population come back. Then this phenomenon repeats itself a few more times and decades down the road there will be something more like stability in prey/preditor populations
Since we the people mess with these balances huge time with logging and other industry (in the remoter areas where I have lived all my life). And the sterilization of the earth (in the citys and urban areas where most people live) I don't think it prudent to sit back and wait watching swings of next to no deer to next to no wolves in the enroronment.
We should follow the hunting regulations and harvest as the government biologists tell us we can. Which happens to include shooting wolves without a tag in BC right now if a hunter so desires in most areas because theres piles of them.
Seriously though. If us evil humans all f**ked off from north america and let the critters be, a natural balance of prey and preditors would end up happening eventually. It takes many seasons though for a spike in the wolf population to whipe out virtually all the ungulates to a point where the wolves "breed less" (because they are starving) and their numbers collapse to let the ungulate population come back. Then this phenomenon repeats itself a few more times and decades down the road there will be something more like stability in prey/preditor populations
Since we the people mess with these balances huge time with logging and other industry (in the remoter areas where I have lived all my life). And the sterilization of the earth (in the citys and urban areas where most people live) I don't think it prudent to sit back and wait watching swings of next to no deer to next to no wolves in the enroronment.
We should follow the hunting regulations and harvest as the government biologists tell us we can. Which happens to include shooting wolves without a tag in BC right now if a hunter so desires in most areas because theres piles of them.
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A few years back, while on a 10 day pack trip in the Banff backcountry, my friend and I were awakened early one morning to the sound of hoofbeats running past the tent. Thinking the horses had gotten loose and were running back home we scrambled out of the sack to count 21 wolves running a healthy,full grown,6 point bull elk into the lake by which we were camped.
The elk was completley exhausted and it was very apparent to us that the wolves were driving it to the lake knowing it wouldn't be able to escape and would catch it wherever it came out of the water.
Once the dogs realized we were there, they backed off a few hundred yards and commenced the most beautiful, but forelorn howling I've ever heard while the elk stood near us catching his breath.
It was probably the most exciting outdoor experience I have ever had, but if I had been allowed to carry a gun in a national park, there would have been a bunch of dead dogs that August morning
