Wolf 'lover'

I wasn't harassing an innocent hard working woman, all I did was ask her why she loved wolves...she told me she had never actually seen a wild wolf but would love to so I merely told her we had....

ps....I have never seen a rancher wearing a 'I love wolves' shirt...
 
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ratherbefishin said:
I wasn't harassing an innocent hard working woman, all I did was ask her why she loved wolves...she told me she had never actually seen a wild wolf but would love to so I merely told her we had....

ps....I have never seen a rancher wearing a 'I love wolves' shirt...
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Most ranchers ar gentleman and would just left the woman a lone to do her job
 
c-fbmi said:
OP, next time you can also tell them that wolves are also sport killers and do not necessarily eat everything they kill. I have seen myself, 6 moose carcasses in a single valley, all killed by the same pack of wolves with less than 10% of each carcass consumed by the pack. They killed one young bull at night on one end of the airstrip and then a cow the next morning on the other end of the same strip, neither was eaten in the week I was in there, they were killed gutted and from what we could tell just a few organs were consumed. It would appear in areas of high game population densities they are just wanton killers, and kill for the sheer joy of it..........The miner in that valley said he had seen two carcasses that they had killed and hadn't even eaten the organs, just killed and left. Unlike some on here I kill every wolf I can get crosshairs on, and smile every time I connect. I don't believe every wolf should be eliminated but their populations certainly need managing and we as hunters need to be active towards this end. By their very nature, and being as secretive as they are I doubt we could ever totally eliminate them even if this was our goal, but by shooting every one I get the opportunity to I feel I'm doing my little part.
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Where is the evidence that they need managing? You say yourself game populations are high.

Heres the thing: nature doesnt need our help to manage itself. It got along quite well without us before man figured out gunpowder. The simple fact is a high predator population cannot exist without a high prey population to support it. With one goes the other. Wolves dont just appear out of thin air, they appear because of a healthy food source is supporting them.

Ive nothing against wolf hunting; I do it myself. Nature will manage itself, it doesnt need our help. Our help comes in when we want to preserve a certain population level to enable resource use by man, and therefor its economic benefits.
 
Sumtimes Hunting is fun and sumtimes it a necessity how are we different from wolf's ?
Today in modern society human species has become the herd Animal I wounder if the hate of wolves is a natural human instinct
Wolfes on the other hand pack in a famly unit and are related that's why only the dominant male and female bread.
The Pack hunt in a famly unit in the winter to hunt but come spring they will separate and hunt separately as a Predator .
If a wolf can't get the food it needs it will not survive after all it can't go to the grocery store for it food wolf's have no Choice but to hunt.
Do wolf's kill more then it eats of course thay do ther is no way for them to store food when things get tough and food is Limited .
I do think wolf populations need to be Controlled especially in ranching country but I don't need to be the moral compass ruling over top of nature.
https://www.td.org/Publications/Blogs/Human-Capital-Blog/2013/07/The-Brain-and-the-Herd-Mentality
 
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The moment humans step away from being hunter gatherers we inevitably alter the ecosystem,it is no longer 'natural'.political correctness or politics have no place in game management. We stood idely by in the 70's and watched wolves decimate the deer population on Vancouver island resulting in deer moving into the suburbs where they had never been seen before,and continue to cause problems.All this was a direct result of the pseudo Eco wacko's who had zero knowlege of the issues but 'loved' wolvesand protested any wolf control ...where were they when the wolves inevitably ate themselves out of their food supply and starved to death?( these are the issues you NEVER hear them discussing...or the orphaned fawns starving who's mother was killed in the city traffic where deer don't belong..

Anybody is stupid enough to wear a 'I love wolves' shirt in public is going to be challenged by me
 
coasta wolfs don't just target deer I have seen them eating whales that wash up on the beach , salmon is a nother Favorite
Coasta wolf's are quite good a hunting Black bear
Southern Vancouver Island has expanded so much of course the deer have becom common sight it the city
I bet your having trouble getting deer has more to do with where you're hunting and not wolf's
 
No, areas that I hunted as a kid in the 60's (Sooke watershed) had abundant deer populations but within a short time you couldn't even find any tracks as up to 90% of the deer were gone and this was pretty much the same scenario as the whole island-no deer ...but at the same time, deer began showing up in town where they had never been seen before and to the casual non hunting observer,they didn't realise the effect wolves were having on the deer population.

Yes, wolves will kill bear especially young ones,they aren't fussy what they eat and forage along the shore.The funny thing is people used to say there were 'no wolves on Vancouver island'other than a few isolated packs on the North Island,then for some reason,the wolf population exploded in a very short period and decimated the deer by the 70's .They are coming back, but slowly.Elk are expanding their range south ,partially due to transplants and road deactivation has helped curtail poaching
 
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Nature had at least two brain-farts.....mosquitoes and wolves. Imho, we all would do just fine without them.
 
I am glad the Haida Nadhion put a stop to BC Fish and wildlife introducing wolves and cougars To Haida Gwaii
On Haida Gwaii deer are becoming more skittish then they used to be but it is because of ATVs and more hunters
Plus Logging is not what it used to be many logging roads are overgrown the deer are still ther but have moved and we had to look at new areas and adapt different hunting techniques
 
blasted_saber said:
Heres the thing: nature doesnt need our help to manage itself. It got along quite well without us before man figured out gunpowder. The simple fact is a high predator population cannot exist without a high prey population to support it. With one goes the other. Wolves dont just appear out of thin air, they appear because of a healthy food source is supporting them. Ive nothing against wolf hunting; I do it myself. Nature will manage itself, it doesnt need our help. Our help comes in when we want to preserve a certain population level to enable resource use by man, and therefor its economic benefits.
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Game management (and not just the ungulates but the predators as well) is absolutely necessary if humanity is going to be involved in the equation. See the next comment for the reason why.

ratherbefishin said:
The moment humans step away from being hunter gatherers we inevitably alter the ecosystem,it is no longer 'natural'.political correctness or politics have no place in game management.
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Quite true, if humanity is going to be involved in the equation at any level, whether its because we have changed the habitat through our industry (e.g. forestry) or by direct, large scale harvest (e.g. modern hunting).
 
Rascal said:
I would think that if you had put a suffering animal out if it's misery everything would have been fine.
Not sure I could watch an animal in distress for that length of time and not do something about it.
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Same here. Law or no law, I couldn't stand around and just watch if I had the option to do something to end its suffering.

And three days, no less! I probably wouldn't have had the patience to stand around that long to check the time it took. Just don't know how the OP managed it.
 
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