Wolf Pack
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kell2784 said:
No doubt there coming into town for food. We have a large dump, all the garbage box's (sometimes overflowing) and maybe they pick off the odd small dog that's running loose. Normally when you hear of a sighting, the wolf was already headed in the opposite direction. I don't think they pose much of a threat to humans...however I wouldn't want to be lying out on the tundra with a broken leg and no rifle and a pack surrounding me...
2fat2fly said:
There have been numerous discussions here on CGNTZ about this exact rifle, plus I've owned one. Since it uses AR15 magazines and is advertised as such, it is limited to 5 round mag capacity. Use the search function to see the past discussions about it. I've also argued this out with the CFC/RCMP in the past.
kell2784 said:
They only seem timid because they consider us dangerous and to be avoided. Shooting some of them once in a while(when threatened by them) would have the positive result of reinforcing this behavior on their part. We don't want them considering us prey...ask forest animals how timid wolves are.
5 rd restrictions are for centerfire semi auto's , otherwise our 10rd mags for Enfields would also have to be pinned.
3rd restrictions on shotguns " while hunting".
Carrying a shotgun for defense from wild animals isn't hunting...but ya gotta prove it.
Wolves are naturally timid and will normally run at the first scent/sight of human. I've howled out to them and have them howl back...with no probs. Anytime I seen a wolf , it's been on a full run...away.
However ...
When things get tough and finding food is scarce , the "will to survive" will kick in.
In todays world of easy meals at the garbagedump and encroachment have desensitzed some wolves and made them relize that humans can be nothing more than the big dumb monkeys that we are.
Wolves arn't stupid...they've probably been watching the bears ...
Those sightings close to towns are wolves likely trying to find that easy meal from garbage or making a quick grab on cats or small dogs.
This is well known , by coyote , here in S.W.Ontario
But..Never say never and never say always. A wolf is not a 'yote and I'd be very wary of my children when wolf are nearby.
Even still , let's say it's wolf out hunting....
A wolf attack will likely come from behind . They have a tendency to hamstring their game to slow them down , then the pack will move in for the kill. This is going to be more of an ambush...quick and fast.
IMHO...
Those who prefer a rifle , is great and very effective ...for hunting , where a planned , aimed shot is taken.
Unless , of course , your Arnold Swartzenagger or Rambo ...
A shotgun/buckshot will be more efficent , practical and at the very least , intimidating with that blast the 12ga lets off.
3rd restrictions on shotguns " while hunting".
Carrying a shotgun for defense from wild animals isn't hunting...but ya gotta prove it.
Wolves are naturally timid and will normally run at the first scent/sight of human. I've howled out to them and have them howl back...with no probs. Anytime I seen a wolf , it's been on a full run...away.
However ...
When things get tough and finding food is scarce , the "will to survive" will kick in.
In todays world of easy meals at the garbagedump and encroachment have desensitzed some wolves and made them relize that humans can be nothing more than the big dumb monkeys that we are.
Wolves arn't stupid...they've probably been watching the bears ...
Those sightings close to towns are wolves likely trying to find that easy meal from garbage or making a quick grab on cats or small dogs.
This is well known , by coyote , here in S.W.Ontario
But..Never say never and never say always. A wolf is not a 'yote and I'd be very wary of my children when wolf are nearby.
Even still , let's say it's wolf out hunting....
A wolf attack will likely come from behind . They have a tendency to hamstring their game to slow them down , then the pack will move in for the kill. This is going to be more of an ambush...quick and fast.
IMHO...
Those who prefer a rifle , is great and very effective ...for hunting , where a planned , aimed shot is taken.
Unless , of course , your Arnold Swartzenagger or Rambo ...
A shotgun/buckshot will be more efficent , practical and at the very least , intimidating with that blast the 12ga lets off.
I think part of the reason the wolf attacks are considered so rare here is that unless a person is found immediately after being killed by a pack of wolves there is unlikely anything to be found of the person. Wolves jaws are strong enough to crush any bone in the human body, so little evidence other than scraps of clothing and gear would be left behind. PROVING that the person was then killed by wolves rather than merely consumed by predators after death from other causes would be difficult.
I would imagine that a very small number of the many people who "go missing" in the bush every year may have been killed by wolves. They have never seemed too skittish when I have observed them.
I would imagine that a very small number of the many people who "go missing" in the bush every year may have been killed by wolves. They have never seemed too skittish when I have observed them.
Wolves
Originally Posted by Why not?
Actually, Gentlemen, wolves take quite a bit of killing..........far more than a coyote! It has amazed me, and several other guys up here, who have watched our big timber wolves take what appear to be perfect hits from 7mm and 300 Mags, only to get back up and take off.
River Rat shot one a few years ago with his 358 Norma Mag. Broke the near shoulder, went right through the lungs, and exited. It took that hit, and still had fight in him when we got to it about three minutes later. I have seen grzzlies expire much quicker
They are very, very tough, and laugh at 22 rimfire rounds of all persuasion.
Ted
I would suggest the big magnums, for the most part, went through them without opening up. A 30-30 with the standard 170 soft point would have been very effective, as many trappers can atest to.
I also am surprised to hear you say a badly wounded wolf still had fight in him. Twice I have walked up to wounded wolves, one when I made a less than perfect hit with a 30-06 and the other when my 270 bullet missed the boiler room. Neither one had any indication of fight and they were both able to walk around. With the 30-06 hit one I wanted to have the hide made up into a rug and I was trying to figure where I could hit him to make a clean kill without doing too much harm to the hide. As I walked around him from feet away he just stood and looked at me with woe-be-gone eyes and an expression that said, "Ok, you got me, do whatever it is you are going to do!" The other wounded wolf had exactly the same expression on his face.
As I pointed out in an earlier post here, it is the garbage eating wolves that lose their fear of man that can become dangerous. I have little, or no fear, of wild wolves in the bush. There are a hundred stories out there about some one camping in the bush and being surrounded by wolves for half the night, but in all these stories the person, or persons always, "escape with their lives," as the wolves go away before daylight. I think wolves are smart enough to actually play games with people! A trapper once told me that one of his cabins had hard snow drifted right to the roof on the back and the wolves used to get on the top of his cabin when he was away and the males would pee up against his chimney! Then he said one early morning while he was in bed they did that, but got away so fast he couldn't even get a shot at them.
Originally Posted by Why not?
Actually, Gentlemen, wolves take quite a bit of killing..........far more than a coyote! It has amazed me, and several other guys up here, who have watched our big timber wolves take what appear to be perfect hits from 7mm and 300 Mags, only to get back up and take off.
River Rat shot one a few years ago with his 358 Norma Mag. Broke the near shoulder, went right through the lungs, and exited. It took that hit, and still had fight in him when we got to it about three minutes later. I have seen grzzlies expire much quicker
They are very, very tough, and laugh at 22 rimfire rounds of all persuasion.
Ted
I would suggest the big magnums, for the most part, went through them without opening up. A 30-30 with the standard 170 soft point would have been very effective, as many trappers can atest to.
I also am surprised to hear you say a badly wounded wolf still had fight in him. Twice I have walked up to wounded wolves, one when I made a less than perfect hit with a 30-06 and the other when my 270 bullet missed the boiler room. Neither one had any indication of fight and they were both able to walk around. With the 30-06 hit one I wanted to have the hide made up into a rug and I was trying to figure where I could hit him to make a clean kill without doing too much harm to the hide. As I walked around him from feet away he just stood and looked at me with woe-be-gone eyes and an expression that said, "Ok, you got me, do whatever it is you are going to do!" The other wounded wolf had exactly the same expression on his face.
As I pointed out in an earlier post here, it is the garbage eating wolves that lose their fear of man that can become dangerous. I have little, or no fear, of wild wolves in the bush. There are a hundred stories out there about some one camping in the bush and being surrounded by wolves for half the night, but in all these stories the person, or persons always, "escape with their lives," as the wolves go away before daylight. I think wolves are smart enough to actually play games with people! A trapper once told me that one of his cabins had hard snow drifted right to the roof on the back and the wolves used to get on the top of his cabin when he was away and the males would pee up against his chimney! Then he said one early morning while he was in bed they did that, but got away so fast he couldn't even get a shot at them.
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RangerRick
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We too have wolf problems in town, and have had several "dealt with" The biggest was 175 lbs, the average was 100lbs.
The thought of a .22lr even in a 10/22, gives me a coppery taste in my mouth. Firearm choice here is 12 gauge w/ either 000buck or even #4 buck. Longer range is 12ga fully rifled with sabot h/p slugs.
You really have to see these up close and personal before you'd bet your life on a 10/22
Cheers
Ricky
The thought of a .22lr even in a 10/22, gives me a coppery taste in my mouth. Firearm choice here is 12 gauge w/ either 000buck or even #4 buck. Longer range is 12ga fully rifled with sabot h/p slugs.
You really have to see these up close and personal before you'd bet your life on a 10/22
Cheers
Ricky
"There have been numerous discussions here on CGNTZ about this exact rifle, plus I've owned one. Since it uses AR15 magazines and is advertised as such, it is limited to 5 round mag capacity. Use the search function to see the past discussions about it. I've also argued this out with the CFC/RCMP in the past."
Actually, the 5-rnd. restriction is only if you are using AR-magazines, or magazines designed for a semi-auto rifle. If you were able to obtain an exact replica magazine, but stamped '716P' or whatever instead of AR15, you'd be able to have unlimited mag. capacity.
Actually, the 5-rnd. restriction is only if you are using AR-magazines, or magazines designed for a semi-auto rifle. If you were able to obtain an exact replica magazine, but stamped '716P' or whatever instead of AR15, you'd be able to have unlimited mag. capacity.
BTW, I think any caliber .223 and up, with the proper bullet type, would work. I agree with the shotgun as probably being the best to go with for defense purposes, as in a defence situation, most of your shots would be at close range. A pump shotgun with a large mag. capacity, loaded with slugs would be my personal choice. 00 or 0 buckshot would probably work better at closer ranges, because all of that shot would probably give you a better chance of getting a lethal hit, and it would most likely have more stopping power and would be easier to hit a moving target with.
Just my .02
Just my .02
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- Saskatchewan
Those who suggest .22 RF, Stingers especially, are inexperienced, I think. I've shot 2 poultry-killing dogs with a .22 LR semi and stingers, and it was not pretty and not humane. Good thing I had a 10 shot clip 'cause I needed all 10! Penetration is much too shallow. Standard LR's aren't much better, judging from other large critter's I've shot.
One option for a handy & effective self defense gun would be a .357 or .44 mag lever, marlin or win. for example.
One option for a handy & effective self defense gun would be a .357 or .44 mag lever, marlin or win. for example.
I am looking at a wolf pelt in the corner of my room as I type this. It is 94" from the tip of the nose to the tip of the tail. Ninety-four inches!
That's seven feet, ten inches, fellas. I have no idea what it weighed, but when I showed it to Doug's friend, Phil, he thought it was a bear. The front paws are almost five inches across.
Take a look at these guys taking on a full grown adult moose.
Yes, they can be killed with a 22. I know at least one guy who did just that, however it is certainly not the weapon of choice.
H4831, I agree fully that the 30-30 with 170 factory ammo can be a great load for these guys at close range, but it is amazing how much lead they can soak up and keep going.
Ted
That's seven feet, ten inches, fellas. I have no idea what it weighed, but when I showed it to Doug's friend, Phil, he thought it was a bear. The front paws are almost five inches across.
Take a look at these guys taking on a full grown adult moose.
Yes, they can be killed with a 22. I know at least one guy who did just that, however it is certainly not the weapon of choice.
H4831, I agree fully that the 30-30 with 170 factory ammo can be a great load for these guys at close range, but it is amazing how much lead they can soak up and keep going.
Ted
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