Wolf vs Coyote (picture)

LuckyStrike

LuckyStrike

CGN Regular
Rating - 100%
13   0   0
Location
Vancouver Island
For anyone in doubt what you are looking at this winter while hunting coyotes.

Not my photo, but an interesting comparison.

I recall seeing my first wolf skin in a cabin, beside a huge black bear.

My remark was,,,,, beautiful pair of bears on your wall.

The owner answered ... "Just 1 bear ... The other is a wolf" My eyes got wide!!!

I have also recently seen some posts about wolves and coyotes interbreeding...
(any comments appreciated)

Happy huntin'

Lucky

WolfvsCoyote.jpg
 
Nice pic OP

we have a big black bastard like that around the lake where I live. I have yet to catch it on film (or in my scope) but got two of his buddies on trail camera so far this fall.
All with in a couple of hundred yards from the house.

I have put more effort into trying to get these then deer this fall... they are extremely smart don't think I'm ever going to get one.

Funny we were overrun with fox for two or three solid years this year since the wolves came back, only seen one, and only two yotes both around last spring.

I guess the wolves kill or drive them other guys out.
 
LuckyStrike said:
For anyone in doubt what you are looking at this winter while hunting coyotes.

Not my photo, but an interesting comparison.

I recall seeing my first wolf skin in a cabin, beside a huge black bear.

My remark was,,,,, beautiful pair of bears on your wall.

The owner answered ... "Just 1 bear ... The other is a wolf" My eyes got wide!!!

I have also recently seen some posts about wolves and coyotes interbreeding...
(any comments appreciated)

Happy huntin'

Lucky

WolfvsCoyote.jpg
Click to expand...
Couple of nice rugs there!
 
Not sure I understand the random aim of this thread, but yes, Western Wolves are big. There appears to be an Eastern Wolf as well, significantly smaller, and I have made the mistake of telling people it was almost certainly not a Wolf they'd seen when I could be wrong. Not all Wolves are are big as Western and Northern Timbers it seems.

This is me posing with a nice wolf, I'm a typical 180lb white guy and 6' as a measuring stick in my boots there. Following that is a track from work, North Eastern BC.

57fbbf58.jpg

e132b79a.jpg
 
madtrapper143 said:
When you see a wolf in NW Ontario you know it's a wolf. Anyone who saw something and wasn't sure saw a coyote. They are LARGE.

Darryl
Click to expand...

Do you have coyotes in N.O.??
I hunted just south of Detour Mine north of Cochrane a few years & shot 1 wolf & seen a few others, in fact I inadvertantly walked into the middle of a pack of 4-6 of them one day in the tall grass with snow hanging off it. The one wolf I did shoot weighed about 45-50lbs & looked much the same size as the rest of them. I know imature wolves are obviously smaller but the whole pack :confused:
 
I'm a southern AB guy. But I saw two wolves chasing a WT south of Grande Cache; they were 2/3's the size of the deer, and the deer was full grown.
We've got Great Pyrenee dogs at home & healthy they top out 170-180.
If someone told me of a 50 lb wolf ; I wouldn't declare BS...but I'd need proof that it's not a pup that's for sure.
No offense intended.
 
A buddy of mine traps north of Algonquin Park in Ontario and he regularly traps what he believes are wolves. He would definitely know the difference, size, body shape etc and the furs are usually classified as coyotes.
 
Just curious after seeing some of these pictures..I know there is a post about Wolves in Southern Ontario but you guys that have posted so far seem pretty knowledgable on the subject..I live just east of Guelph which is 30 minutes west of Toronto..I live in the country an avid coyote hunter but have never seen a wolf. Last year my wife was coming home from a run and about 1 km from the house she called me terrified as a "wolf" had just ran out in front of her..she is familiar with coyotes as she has seen them being skinned in the barn before. When she returned home probably the fastest 1 k in her life!! She described it as large dark, bigger than a german shepard and very thick thru the chest..several days later the farmer that lives behind me was walking his husky and noticed a large black dog in the distance that he said was huge..I walked the bush and surrounding fields and located tracks similar in size to the ones posted earlier much bigger than coyote..I shrugged it off as a cross breed of some sort(wish I had taken pictures)

After she saw the picture on here she said it looked very similar just not as large.
My question is would a Wolf migrate this far south? Or is it most likely a coydog?

Thanks
 
I think, like Ardent said, the issue we have is with the terminology "wolf".... it's like saying "shark" and everyone assumes you are talking about a great white when in reality, there are breegds of shark no bigger thana northern pike.... the pics here are of timberwolves..... but there are many smaller breeds, which have caused me to put my foot in my mouth on this forum before...
 
coydog.. coywolf

I have heard that coyotes sometimes breed with farm dogs (other times the farm dogs just get eaten :eek:)

Is it possible for wolves and coyotes to interbreed???

Can anyone answer this ???

Years ago my dad and I were hunting rabbits in Southern saskatchewan... As we drove home we saw a huge "coyote" probably twice the size of any yote I had ever seen. We always wondered if it was a small wolf or a cross of some sort.

The only close encounter I ever had with a timberwolf was one that was a pet on Vancouver Island. It had been raised from a pup(in Alaska) and rescued from Oregon to V I ... I took pictures of Dr. Jim Hatter standing beside this kritter, as he was researching wolves for his book. (Wolves and People 2005)
I believe this wolf (named Rio) weighed 140 pounds .

Interesting book to read, btw.

Lucky...
 
LuckyStrike said:
I have heard that coyotes sometimes breed with farm dogs (other times the farm dogs just get eaten :eek:)

Is it possible for wolves and coyotes to interbreed???

Can anyone answer this ???

Years ago my dad and I were hunting rabbits in Southern saskatchewan... As we drove home we saw a huge "coyote" probably twice the size of any yote I had ever seen. We always wondered if it was a small wolf or a cross of some sort.

The only close encounter I ever had with a timberwolf was one that was a pet on Vancouver Island. It had been raised from a pup(in Alaska) and rescued from Oregon to V I ... I took pictures of Dr. Jim Hatter standing beside this kritter, as he was researching wolves for his book. (Wolves and People 2005)
I believe this wolf (named Rio) weighed 140 pounds .

Interesting book to read, btw.

Lucky...
Click to expand...
As I noted in the other thread (wolves in southern Ontario), studies have shown that some coyote populations definitely have wolf genes mixed in.

In Ontario, it gets really complicated because you have coyotes, coyotes with wolf genes, Eastern wolves (averaging 25-30 kg) in the central part, and Grey wolves (timber wolves) in the north that are much larger.

Even though there is one species of wolf (Canis lupus) (or possibly two - some argue that the Eastern wolf should be considered a separate species, Canis lycaon), different populations can vary widely in size, shape, coloration, and behaviour.

Remembering that the wide variation occurs within one province, inferring anything from other populations elsewhere on the globe, as some try to do, is absurd.

Given that some coyotes here can easily nudge 30 kg, and have wolf genes in the mix, I suspect that the only way to definitively identify some individuals in Ontario would be to do a DNA test. I don't take any visual sightings as definitive ID, due to these complexities.

I've had so many locals here in Durham Region claim to have seen wolves ...:rolleyes:
 
In South/Central Ontario the identification of wolf/Coyote is not as clear cut and "agreed upon" an issue as the rest of Canada.

I have seen a few of these "creatures" up close East of Algonquin Park and have two trail cam video clips of them. They are larger than the coyote in Op's picture (same coloring though) but smaller than the wolf in the same picture. I have seen them alone and in packs. I always assumed that there are two different animals that happen to look alike, until a local hunter told me there are no coyotes in the immediate area! and they are Eastern Wolves.

searching the internet for "Eastern Wolf" added to the confusion as it would appear that scientists themselves are not sure whether the Eastern Wolf is actually a wolf or a cross bread between wolf and coyote.

To make it even more confusing, DNA testing has shown that the Eastern Wolf does actually share an unusual amount of DNA coding with the coyotes. This should have solved the problem but, the opponents of the Hybrid wolf point out that any shared DNA could have happened thousands of years back and in any event, wolves don't bread with coyotes but kill them.....etc. :confused:
 
Last edited:
pretty sure this is a coydog. I shot him last year he came to the rabbit distress. He weighted 56lbs skinned. Pure orange. Looks like a coyote, but he was thick, big paws. I think he had a bit of dog in him. Had a Mane on his back with the hair about 2" longer than the rest of his body.


0129111508-00.jpg


0129110802-00.jpg


0129110805-00.jpg


0131111650-00.jpg


pelt was 72" from nose to tail
I'm 5'11" for size reference.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom