Wolverine's WK180-C

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fenceline said:
The firearms act is the rule. It has definitions to what is prohib, restricted or non restricted. It begins and ends there.

The frt is the database of rcmp opinion as to whether a gun is prohib, restricted or non restricted as per the definitions of the firearms act.

Rcmp opinion is not law. Only the firearms act is law.

An encyclipedia of rcmp opinion is also not law, just because all the opinion is in one place.

You don't need rcmp opinion to know if a gun is one of the three as the rules exist without the rcmp saying what they think.

If the rcmp disagree with Wolverine's opinion, there is court. At court the rcmp expert gives his opinion based on the law, and wolverine's expert gives their opinion based on the law, and a judge says which one is right. As per the judges opinion of the law and how the gun fits the law definitions.

Simple.
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Ya, that's going to happen. The Lieberals have already mandated the RCMP will classify firearms.
 
i'm really trying hard to not jump on the band wagon........... i would like to wait and hear some reviews before i commit...........
this is hard.......
 
Am I right in surmising that the bolt handle can be swapped left or right? It sure looks that way.

This is the most exciting thing I've seen happen in the history of guns in Canada. Freakin' awesome. I want one so bad, and I have no $$$ at the moment. But soon...

Way to go, Wolverine!
 
redivivus said:
Agree on all fronts re: the Firearms Act, the FRT and RCMP's involvement in interpretation of the law into the FRT and it's subsequent implementation.

To summarize Wolverine's position,

1. This rifle's upper and lower receiver is a reproduction of the AR180B and it meets the OAL and Barrel Length restrictions for NR in the Firearm Act and hence, per Wolverine, an FRT and a formal classification by the RCMP is not required.
2. Wolverine,using their best understanding of the Firearms Act, specifically the definition of Non Restricted and Restricted Firearms, and using precedence of the RCMP awarding NR classification for AR180B derived designs in the recent past, have unilaterally classified this rifle as "Non Restricted".

I foresee four problems with this current situation,

1. There is no precedence for Wolverine to be declared an "expert" in the classification of firearms per the Forearms Act or the Canadian Firearms Program. Rather, the RCMP is the sole responsible party (I believe they frame it as administrator) for classification, licensing, registration (etc etc) per the Act.
2. There is no independent verification or corroboration by an entity recognized by the Firearms Act - that the upper and lower receiver set is an EXACT copy and not a LIKENESS of the AR180B.
3. There is a likelihood that the RCMP may come to a different conclusion on the classification of the rifle as the gas system is NOT THE SAME as an AR180B and hence it is NOT the same gun and hence the precedence of awarding NR classification cannot be assumed. The RCMP may find the operation like <insert prohibited/ restricted gun name here> and decide NOT to give it a NR classification. Precedence is not guaranteed, and the RCMP may wish to apply it differently in this case. The RCMP have a very strong enabler in the act through one the definitions of a Restricted firearm: "a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm".

Yes, I agree that the Laws are imperfect, but we have to abide by them. So, I believe that IF one is stopped and questioned with this rifle, be prepared for an impounded rifle, potential charges, and a certain legal fight as it would come down to Wolverine's interpretation of the law vs. the RCMPs. Wolverine's position may (perhaps should ?) win based on the way the Act defines NR but it will be messy, protracted and potentially disastrous. I believe we are in uncharted waters here.

Are there any rifles/ pistols in Canada that are currently sold without an FRT ? I guess I am looking for precedence for "sale and possession of firearms without an FRT" as that is the only other strong argument that can be made to support Wolverine's interpretation and unilateral classification - if challenged.
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Well said!
 
Stephano said:
Well said!
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well if we go by you 2 fun killers opinion,we would have NO semi auto's,as for redivius nice long keyboard lawyer post,the RCMP ONLY has opinion on the lower and barrel length,the fact that it uses a different gas system is totally irrelevant,if that lower truely is a 180B lower,then there's no problem keeping the NT status,as for your bull argument that they might try to find it a variant of a prohib,also not going to happen,if that was the case the Type 81 which is clearly derived from the Chinese FA version but a semi auto only receiver would have never been allowed in the country,yet,,here we are,again NR status,and the BCL 102,doesn't share everything with the original AR-10.yet,,again NR, then there's the MacAbe,uses ALL AR PARTS,but again NR..so quite raining on everyone's parade,and let them enjoy their new NR toys,maybe the new blood at the Lab likes to play with NR toys too, LOL.and lastly,,this thing is going to put a LOT of holes in sales of the BCL102,,allthough that is a GREAT riffle for the .308 buyers,and i take nothing away from it,but it will probably affect the Macabe a whole lot more,those crazy high prices for a upper and lower will have to fall quickly now,their NR extra tax might have to removed.one thing is for sure,it would be great for buyer to have more NR type stuff competing against each other,like i said before,,you'll be seeing more of these new NR status gun in competition for your dollars,
 
https://kodiakdefence.com/wk180c.php

MANY OF YOU ASKING THIS QUESTIONS.

CURRENTLY WE WILL NOT SELL PARTS FOR THIS RIFLE.

WE WILL NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CALIBERS AT THIS TIME.

UPPER, LOWERS WILL NOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY.

FUTURE PROJECTS ARE IN THE FUTURE AND WILL GO THROUGH WOLVERINE SUPPLIES. PLEASE CONTACT THEM FOR MORE INFO.

WE ARE VERY BUSY ON MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE BEST RIFLE (OUT-OF-THE-BOX) ON TIME FOR YOU AND WE WILL NOT MAKE ANY CUSTOM RIFLES AT THIS TIME.
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dear god.... I just submitted my order... and I have a wedding to pay for by October. Curse you and your uncanny ability to separate me from my money Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously though, this is awesome! got my new cottage plinker!!!
 
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